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Seriously?
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gt1953
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: Did factory fresh 40 hp engines leak engine oil? |
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Honestly I do not see why not. Or well maybe it sweat the oil out cause of all the horsepower.
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don1357
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: Did factory fresh 40 hp engines leak engine oil? |
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What he said. |
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carcrazed
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Did factory fresh 40 hp engines leak engine oil? |
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I am sure some did, but was corrected at the factory before they left. Beetles were built much better than a Pinto or Monza.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: Did factory fresh 40 hp engines leak engine oil? |
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I'd bet even factory fresh Pintos and Monzas didn't leak oil.
I don't understand the question I guess.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:07 am Post subject: Re: Did factory fresh 40 hp engines leak engine oil? |
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My 1970 had 40K on it when I bought it in late 1972, and it had loose cylinder heads and it leaked oil, maybe why I got it for $1100 with dealer-added AC.
I bought my 1971 in 1976, cannot remember if it leaked oil then. I rebuilt its 1600cc DP engine in late 2016 and its only leak now is from the oil drain plug, and I'm waiting until its next oil change to use a new copper gasket there.
Maybe Glenn Ring can comment on how long - if ever- it took for his factory 1600cc engine to leak after he bought his 1974 new.
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:47 am Post subject: Re: Did factory fresh 40 hp engines leak engine oil? |
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| Wayne S. Johnson wrote: |
| Did factory fresh 40 hp engines leak engine oil? |
No but perhaps the question should be how soon after warranty ran out did they develop leaks, seeps and weeps. If you took it in for 600 mile oil change per the book depending on competency of the mechanic a leak could be induced same for valve covers. In conversations with dealership mechanics one told me about people that would drive around on dirt roads and pack the engines with a layer of mud causing it to overheat, this was done to new cars and probably not on purpose because there were many more dirt roads back then. Now you’ve got a situation whereby you might get a leaky engine back because it had to come apart to fix. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: Did factory fresh 40 hp engines leak engine oil? |
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| Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
| Wayne S. Johnson wrote: |
| Did factory fresh 40 hp engines leak engine oil? |
No but perhaps the question should be how soon after warranty ran out did they develop leaks, seeps and weeps. If you took it in for 600 mile oil change per the book depending on competency of the mechanic a leak could be induced same for valve covers. In conversations with dealership mechanics one told me about people that would drive around on dirt roads and pack the engines with a layer of mud causing it to overheat, this was done to new cars and probably not on purpose because there were many more dirt roads back then. Now you’ve got a situation whereby you might get a leaky engine back because it had to come apart to fix. |
My grand dad took his potential new Bug purchase on a test drive with the VW dealer, drove up the dirt road to the top of Mt. Lemon outside Tucson AZ. a long rocky road back in the late 50's. Once the Bug made it, he bought it. It performed much better than his DeSoto on the Mt. Lemon climb.
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| bluebus86 wrote: |
| Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
| Wayne S. Johnson wrote: |
| Did factory fresh 40 hp engines leak engine oil? |
No but perhaps the question should be how soon after warranty ran out did they develop leaks, seeps and weeps. If you took it in for 600 mile oil change per the book depending on competency of the mechanic a leak could be induced same for valve covers. In conversations with dealership mechanics one told me about people that would drive around on dirt roads and pack the engines with a layer of mud causing it to overheat, this was done to new cars and probably not on purpose because there were many more dirt roads back then. Now you’ve got a situation whereby you might get a leaky engine back because it had to come apart to fix. |
My grand dad took his potential new Bug purchase on a test drive with the VW dealer, drove up the dirt road to the top of Mt. Lemon outside Tucson AZ. a long rocky road back in the late 50's. Once the Bug made it, he bought it. It performed much better than his DeSoto on the Mt. Lemon climb.
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Nice, at what point did it start leaking oil? |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Did factory fresh 40 hp engines leak engine oil? |
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Just out of curiosity. Did you, or somebody you know build a fresh new 40 horse that leaked oil recently?  |
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| Just out of curiosity. Did you, or somebody you know build a fresh new 40 horse that leaked oil recently? |
I added sealant to the stud washers and fuel pump gaskets to deal with a few oil spots. After 3,000 miles the engine is running great.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:13 am Post subject: Re: Did factory fresh 40 hp engines leak engine oil? |
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| So I’m wondering what does all this have to do with 40hp engine leaking oil ? |
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Deleted, sorry. Hope I didn't offend.
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 6:36 am Post subject: Re: Did factory fresh 40 hp engines leak engine oil? |
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| So I’m wondering what does all this have to do with 40hp engine leaking oil ? |
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 7:18 am Post subject: Re: Did factory fresh 40 hp engines leak engine oil? |
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of course they leaked when new. They didn't even have a proper color flywheel seal - it was like black or something, and not a proper mauve. 
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 8:42 am Post subject: Re: Did factory fresh 40 hp engines leak engine oil? |
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| bluebus86 wrote: |
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| Wayne S. Johnson wrote: |
| Did factory fresh 40 hp engines leak engine oil? |
No but perhaps the question should be how soon after warranty ran out did they develop leaks, seeps and weeps. If you took it in for 600 mile oil change per the book depending on competency of the mechanic a leak could be induced same for valve covers. In conversations with dealership mechanics one told me about people that would drive around on dirt roads and pack the engines with a layer of mud causing it to overheat, this was done to new cars and probably not on purpose because there were many more dirt roads back then. Now you’ve got a situation whereby you might get a leaky engine back because it had to come apart to fix. |
My grand dad took his potential new Bug purchase on a test drive with the VW dealer, drove up the dirt road to the top of Mt. Lemon outside Tucson AZ. a long rocky road back in the late 50's. Once the Bug made it, he bought it. It performed much better than his DeSoto on the Mt. Lemon climb.
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I bought a 62 Pontiac Catalina from the original owner. During the restoration I took about 30Lbs. of dirt/dried mud from the bottom of the car. The original owner was a Filipino who told me that he performed the rustproofing AND sound deadening himself just like he and his dad had done in the old country ( P I ) with their cars that consisted of heating gear oil ( 90W) and spraying the whole bottom of the car and then taking the car out in a dirt field for about a 1/2 hour and letting the dirt stick to the bottom of the car. The owner said that in the Philippines if you did not do this a car would rust out in less than two years.
After I separated the body from the frame I put the body on a rotisserie to pressure wash the bottom, and after about a 1/2 day of pressure washing I finally saw the factory red oxide primer hidden since 1962. There was absolutely no rust on the underside if the body. |
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Did factory fresh 40 hp engines leak engine oil? |
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| bluebus86 wrote: |
| Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
| Wayne S. Johnson wrote: |
| Did factory fresh 40 hp engines leak engine oil? |
No but perhaps the question should be how soon after warranty ran out did they develop leaks, seeps and weeps. If you took it in for 600 mile oil change per the book depending on competency of the mechanic a leak could be induced same for valve covers. In conversations with dealership mechanics one told me about people that would drive around on dirt roads and pack the engines with a layer of mud causing it to overheat, this was done to new cars and probably not on purpose because there were many more dirt roads back then. Now you’ve got a situation whereby you might get a leaky engine back because it had to come apart to fix. |
My grand dad took his potential new Bug purchase on a test drive with the VW dealer, drove up the dirt road to the top of Mt. Lemon outside Tucson AZ. a long rocky road back in the late 50's. Once the Bug made it, he bought it. It performed much better than his DeSoto on the Mt. Lemon climb.
Rugged Bugs!
Bug On! |
I bought a 62 Pontiac Catalina from the original owner. During the restoration I took about 30Lbs. of dirt/dried mud from the bottom of the car. The original owner was a Filipino who told me that he performed the rustproofing AND sound deadening himself just like he and his dad had done in the old country ( P I ) with their cars that consisted of heating gear oil ( 90W) and spraying the whole bottom of the car and then taking the car out in a dirt field for about a 1/2 hour and letting the dirt stick to the bottom of the car. The owner said that in the Philippines if you did not do this a car would rust out in less than two years.
After I separated the body from the frame I put the body on a rotisserie to pressure wash the bottom, and after about a 1/2 day of pressure washing I finally saw the factory red oxide primer hidden since 1962. There was absolutely no rust on the underside if the body. |
I had an '84 Vanagon years ago that didn't leak a drop of engine oil, though I did have to rebuild the clutch slave cylinder once. Used to drive it on dirt roads as well.
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