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busmania Samba Member
Joined: October 13, 2006 Posts: 1934 Location: Here
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:07 am Post subject: Anyone ever replace inner rear wheel well? |
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71 bus. It seems no one makes the inner metal. It looks like it is the same contour as the outer. Anyone ever replace this? Could I just buy two outer panels and use one for the inner (possibly with slight mods)? I cut out a wheel well from a 70 bus but the inner part is different (the inner panel doesn’t start until about 6” up in the wheel well whereas the 71 the inner panel comes all the way down to the end of the outer panel).
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone ever replace inner rear wheel well? |
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no idea but from the fiche it looks like the inner well is part of the wheel tub. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13389 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone ever replace inner rear wheel well? |
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Ouch.. that appears to be serious salt induced rust. If that arch looks like that, what's the rest of the bus look like? _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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Zed999 Samba Member
Joined: March 04, 2018 Posts: 1247 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:50 am Post subject: Re: Anyone ever replace inner rear wheel well? |
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The simple answer is yes, with modification an outer arch skin is a better start than a flat sheet of steel. But before you start fabricating, look honestly at the rest of the tub, particularly in line with the tyre - you may end up with so many patch repairs you could look back and see a whole tub would have produced a better result with less effort. That's assuming you can still find a tub without a crippling $price attched.
That's as far as I took it. Hopefully the owner painted it. I suspected he woul make a mess of the filling so I shaped it but didn't really bother to get a finish as I wasn't supposed to be filling. Thing is I wouldn't want someone making my panel work look bad and once up to speed it doesn't take long. |
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Zed999 Samba Member
Joined: March 04, 2018 Posts: 1247 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:10 am Post subject: Re: Anyone ever replace inner rear wheel well? |
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Same bus. Don't be put off by cries of "eek that's rusty!". Once you cut out all the rust it will look a whole lot better.
The tight-wad owner supplied a disgusting cheap arch - what can you do?!!
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busmania Samba Member
Joined: October 13, 2006 Posts: 1934 Location: Here
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:42 am Post subject: Re: Anyone ever replace inner rear wheel well? |
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wcfvw69 wrote: |
Ouch.. that appears to be serious salt induced rust. If that arch looks like that, what's the rest of the bus look like? |
The rest of the bus is extremely dry. No rust in any floors, lower nose etc. there is a small amount of rust in the right rocker and in the right side just in front of the rear wheel well. The left side sat facing a busy street as the bus was used as an eye catcher for a business. The left side is bad but really only this part looks this bad. The middle section and front door will need some patching too but this is the worst spot.
Zed, appreciate the photos. That’s exactly what I needed. Thank you! |
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busmania Samba Member
Joined: October 13, 2006 Posts: 1934 Location: Here
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:48 am Post subject: Re: Anyone ever replace inner rear wheel well? |
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wcfvw69 wrote: |
Ouch.. that appears to be serious salt induced rust. If that arch looks like that, what's the rest of the bus look like? |
The rest of the bus is extremely dry. No rust in any floors, lower nose etc. there is a small amount of rust in the right rocker and in the right side just in front of the rear wheel well. The left side sat facing a busy street as the bus was used as an eye catcher for a business. The left side is bad but really only this part looks this bad. The middle section and front door will need some patching too but this is the worst spot.
Zed, appreciate the photos. That’s exactly what I needed. Thank you! |
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13389 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:34 am Post subject: Re: Anyone ever replace inner rear wheel well? |
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busmania wrote: |
wcfvw69 wrote: |
Ouch.. that appears to be serious salt induced rust. If that arch looks like that, what's the rest of the bus look like? |
The rest of the bus is extremely dry. No rust in any floors, lower nose etc. there is a small amount of rust in the right rocker and in the right side just in front of the rear wheel well. The left side sat facing a busy street as the bus was used as an eye catcher for a business. The left side is bad but really only this part looks this bad. The middle section and front door will need some patching too but this is the worst spot.
Zed, appreciate the photos. That’s exactly what I needed. Thank you! |
That's good news! Usually when they are that rusted in one spot, the rest of the buses metal looks equally as rusted up.
While I like to see every bus saved, there's been too many badly RUSTED east coast bay buses that folks tried to fix and should of been scrapped vs. spending 100's if not thousands of hours on. The vast majority of these rusty projects never get completed and are usually scrapped at the end anyway.
Until all the mostly rust free buses from the non snowy, salted roads states are consumed, I'd always recommend buying one of those vs. folks trying to bring a fatal cancer victim bus back to life.
There's still thousands of these bay buses in the dry SW USA looking for love and owners to get them restored and back on the roads. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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Zed999 Samba Member
Joined: March 04, 2018 Posts: 1247 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:56 am Post subject: Re: Anyone ever replace inner rear wheel well? |
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...whereas in the slushy salty UK the kind of rust in my pics is typical. If it needs repairs deep into the structure all round the lower 12", new front panel, window surrounds, a set of doors imported from the good old USA (you are blessed), it's 300-350 hours just grinding and welding. Here, as long as the gutters were good we'd fix anything. But that was then...
I simply wouldn't do it now because of the scarcity and price of good panels has ruined the equation. 10-15 years ago genuine front arches complete were £50 for 2 at one point, rust free cab doors complete with all fixtures £150 a pair, disc to disc rust free front beams for £80, whole genuine rear corners for £80, valances and deformation panels etc etc. These panels were top notch quality and fit and only the rear arches were a problem quality - wise. The price of most of this stuff has risen 10 fold or more now if you can even source them and nobody's wages seem to have risen at all. |
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busmania Samba Member
Joined: October 13, 2006 Posts: 1934 Location: Here
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:26 am Post subject: Re: Anyone ever replace inner rear wheel well? |
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I would have passed on this bus if it wasn’t so dry in the rest of the bus. Being a 71 (tied for favorite bay window year with 72), Sierra yellow (favorite bus color) and a deluxe (always owned campers but now I have kids) that is 99% complete and original I couldn’t say no when my offer was originally rejected but then accepted 2 weeks later. I’ve been looking for the right deluxe for at least 3-4 years now.
Engine is out and getting cleaned up and resealed by me now. Then I’ll clean up the engine bay and transmission and replace all shifter parts and get it running again. Then I’ll move to the body but I’m trying to gather parts and make a plan of attack now for that parts I need.
What year bus are those photos from? |
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TomWesty Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2007 Posts: 3482 Location: Wyoming,USA
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:37 am Post subject: Re: Anyone ever replace inner rear wheel well? |
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I’m in the same predicament. I have the outer, but the tub no longer exists on the market for a ‘71. Maybe a piece of a late bay tub will do or as you said, modify another outer. Problem is, the wheel arch panel is kind of expensive to be cutting up. If you have any luck, please share your results. _________________ If you haven't bled on them, you haven't worked on them.
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Manfred58sc Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:48 am Post subject: Re: Anyone ever replace inner rear wheel well? |
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I have a 71 I'm chopping up for another project with good metal in that area. PM me if interested. _________________ Fat chick owner/operator |
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TomWesty Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2007 Posts: 3482 Location: Wyoming,USA
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone ever replace inner rear wheel well? |
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Manfred58sc wrote: |
I have a 71 I'm chopping up for another project with good metal in that area. PM me if interested. |
pm sent _________________ If you haven't bled on them, you haven't worked on them.
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16879 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:50 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone ever replace inner rear wheel well? |
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this is what you need
https://www.vwheritage.com/221801561j-inner-rear-wheel-housing-inc-tub-for-the-left-side-vw-spare _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
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Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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TomWesty Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2007 Posts: 3482 Location: Wyoming,USA
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone ever replace inner rear wheel well? |
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Will that fit a ‘71 though? _________________ If you haven't bled on them, you haven't worked on them.
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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busmania Samba Member
Joined: October 13, 2006 Posts: 1934 Location: Here
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone ever replace inner rear wheel well? |
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Looks like the right overall shape (I’ve studied mine closely). I only need the tiny bit (maybe 2” or so) on the top part of the wheel well. Appreciate every ones help thus far. |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16879 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:30 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone ever replace inner rear wheel well? |
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there are minor differences but it will work _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51144 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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busmania Samba Member
Joined: October 13, 2006 Posts: 1934 Location: Here
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone ever replace inner rear wheel well? |
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I’ve never been one to shy away from learning something new and buying new tools. I already have links 2 and 3. Now I just need the metal shrinker. Hmmmm, maybe I will take that route. Shouldn’t be a difficult piece to make. I’ll cut out the outter panel rust and then asses the under panel and then decide which route to take. |
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