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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16879 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: Best ball joints? troubles with new Lemforders |
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whoever wants to send joints and arms I will test them.
Robbie, no lube needed. just thinking about you makes me moister than an oyster _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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jeb1978 Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2004 Posts: 197 Location: Cornfields of Illinois
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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Best ball joints? troubles with new Lemforders |
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I took a closer look at the Nakatas I bought, the boxes say China. Guess I should have paid closer attention.
Has anyone purchased the Napa Premium (NCP 2601145) or the AC Delco (45D0000) joints from Rock Auto? The pictures in the online catalogs are identical, just that Napa is $62 and Rock Auto is $30.
I also noticed ads in the classifieds for torsion arm exchanges, one vendor states Meyle ball joints, the other Lemforders. _________________ 1969 Westfalia 1600 Single Port |
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SamboSamba22 Samba Member
Joined: August 06, 2015 Posts: 2772 Location: Benton, Arkansas
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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: Best ball joints? troubles with new Lemforders |
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jeb1978 wrote: |
I took a closer look at the Nakatas I bought, the boxes say China. Guess I should have paid closer attention.
Has anyone purchased the Napa Premium (NCP 2601145) or the AC Delco (45D0000) joints from Rock Auto? The pictures in the online catalogs are identical, just that Napa is $62 and Rock Auto is $30.
I also noticed ads in the classifieds for torsion arm exchanges, one vendor states Meyle ball joints, the other Lemforders. |
My understanding the NAPA items are Lemforders without the badging.
As mentioned further up in this thread, I order Nakata’s from Brazil for around $60 shipped off Ebay. _________________ The Bus Barn Ltd. Co.
Oct. ’67 Double Cab (’68 Crew Cab)
[url=http://www.vw-mplate.com/mplate-44412.png]Click to view image[/URL]
March '69 Delivery (Panel Bus)
[url=http://www.vw-mplate.com/mplate-44414.png]Click to view image[/URL] |
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stigma Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2019 Posts: 2 Location: London
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Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:41 am Post subject: Re: Best ball joints? troubles with new Lemforders |
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If anyone is still stuck and looking for quality balljoints I have a set of boxed NOS 1970's joints that I can sell. will upload some pics later. |
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jeb1978 Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2004 Posts: 197 Location: Cornfields of Illinois
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: Best ball joints? troubles with new Lemforders |
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I ended up buying a set of exchange torsion arms with Lemforder ball joints off of a vendor here on The Samba for my 1969 Westfalia.
The rebuilt torsion arms I installed in ~2005 had Febi ball joints and never did really loosen up.
The Lemforders were about a 50% improvement in steering effort immediately upon installation with no drive time, at least from my unscientific test of turning the steering wheel lock to lock.
Time will tell after this, I guess. I've put about ~300 miles on them so far and they feel about the same as initial installation. _________________ 1969 Westfalia 1600 Single Port |
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SamboSamba22 Samba Member
Joined: August 06, 2015 Posts: 2772 Location: Benton, Arkansas
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nuked2001 Samba Member
Joined: September 12, 2009 Posts: 3 Location: Southern Maryland
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: Best ball joints? troubles with new Lemforders |
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SamboSamba22 wrote: |
Nakata ball joints from Brazil. Replaced all four on my 68 beam. They were quality units, and got the pass from me and my mentor, who’s been working on VW’s since ‘66.
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Where did you find the Nakata (Brazil) Ball Joints? Any feedback on how they turned out? About the roll the dice with some Lemfoerders from AutohausAZ, Flennors from Ebay or Nakatas from Airheadparts. Any recent experiences from the group or am I best pulling a random name out of the hat?
Pictures of the originals below. Wishing I could buy those!
Kris
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SamboSamba22 Samba Member
Joined: August 06, 2015 Posts: 2772 Location: Benton, Arkansas
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Best ball joints? troubles with new Lemforders |
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I purchased 4 Nakata’s off eBay for what I remember less than $60 shipped.
Received them, packaging had Brazil (and Portuguese) all over it.
They weren’t too stiff, had what my friend said was proper movement and had the correct spacing for the notches to line up in the trailing arm.
Been almost 2k miles, happy thus far.
Sam _________________ The Bus Barn Ltd. Co.
Oct. ’67 Double Cab (’68 Crew Cab)
[url=http://www.vw-mplate.com/mplate-44412.png]Click to view image[/URL]
March '69 Delivery (Panel Bus)
[url=http://www.vw-mplate.com/mplate-44414.png]Click to view image[/URL] |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:28 am Post subject: Re: Best ball joints? troubles with new Lemforders |
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nuked2001 wrote: |
SamboSamba22 wrote: |
Nakata ball joints from Brazil. Replaced all four on my 68 beam. They were quality units, and got the pass from me and my mentor, who’s been working on VW’s since ‘66.
Sam |
Where did you find the Nakata (Brazil) Ball Joints? Any feedback on how they turned out? About the roll the dice with some Lemfoerders from AutohausAZ, Flennors from Ebay or Nakatas from Airheadparts. Any recent experiences from the group or am I best pulling a random name out of the hat?
Pictures of the originals below. Wishing I could buy those!
Kris
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We would all buy those if they were still made. I looked for a set for 10 years and they aren't out there. Real shame too. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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nuked2001 Samba Member
Joined: September 12, 2009 Posts: 3 Location: Southern Maryland
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:38 am Post subject: Re: Best ball joints? troubles with new Lemforders |
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SamboSamba22 wrote: |
I purchased 4 Nakata’s off eBay for what I remember less than $60 shipped.
Received them, packaging had Brazil (and Portuguese) all over it.
They weren’t too stiff, had what my friend said was proper movement and had the correct spacing for the notches to line up in the trailing arm.
Been almost 2k miles, happy thus far.
Sam |
Thanks Sam. Keeping an eye out for those, appreciate the report and glad to hear they're working out well for you!
Kris _________________ '68 Bus "Snuffy" |
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nuked2001 Samba Member
Joined: September 12, 2009 Posts: 3 Location: Southern Maryland
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: Best ball joints? troubles with new Lemforders |
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I just picked up 3 Nakatas from Brazil from a vendor on here and one from ebay. Unfortunately, one of the 3 is not a Nakata and was some nasty no-brand joint.
That leaves me with 3 good Brazilian Nakatas and in search for 1 more. I know what a long shot question this is, but if anyone happens to have a single Brazilian Nakata I'd love to take it off your hands.
Thanks!
Kris _________________ '68 Bus "Snuffy" |
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Ceckert64 Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2015 Posts: 1958 Location: Manitowoc, WI
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Mberglo Samba Member
Joined: January 13, 2020 Posts: 383 Location: Huntsville, AL
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:29 am Post subject: Re: Best ball joints? troubles with new Lemforders |
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We installed four no-name Rockauto balljoints, and haven't had a problem in 500 miles of driving. Make sure you index them when you install them. There is a notch that has to be aligned. |
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trihartsfield Samba Member
Joined: April 25, 2010 Posts: 311 Location: Sheridan, MT
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: Best ball joints? troubles with new Lemforders |
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[quote="skills@eurocarsplus"]
even the guy on the box is throwing them in the fucking trash
man, we have for sure hit a new low here...
Now that shit is funny!!![/b][/i][/u] _________________ 1971 Transporter-SOLD
1982 Westy Will grow up into a TDI |
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metahacker Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2010 Posts: 692 Location: san.diego
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:04 am Post subject: Re: Best ball joints? troubles with new Lemforders |
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has anyone tried this - supposedly awesome - ball joint supplier ? "RARE PARTS"
they have a bus ball joint of taiwanese origin ...
https://shop.rareparts.com/search?year=1978&make=VOLKSWAGEN&model=TRANSPORTER
https://www.amazon.com/Rare-Parts-RP10186-Ball-Joi...merReviews
Some of their custom stuff (e.g. the "dual load" ball joints for Jeeps) looks REALLY really nice
https://rareparts.com/dual-load-carrying-ball-joints
so I would assume their bus OE replacement stuff would be very nice
sure wish i had known about them before i plunked down for all those Lemforder China ball joints / Ocap Italy stuff from AutohausAZ ... no problems to report on my rebuild, bus drives GREAT .. but i have a better feeling about this Rare Parts stuff.
In my experience, the Taiwan parts > Chinese parts 10 out of 10 times.
i suspect this may be the 'solution' everyone has been searching for
i do also suspect that many people will be too stubbornly cheap to ante up though
I just wish they would put grease nipples on everything.... |
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Ceckert64 Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2015 Posts: 1958 Location: Manitowoc, WI
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metahacker Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2010 Posts: 692 Location: san.diego
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Best ball joints? troubles with new Lemforders |
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Any idea where they are made? I got some Ocap tie rods for my most recent Bus front end rebuild...and they were made in italy. they seem fine. maybe better than my "EU" Meyles on the other bus ... |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21519 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: Best ball joints? troubles with new Lemforders |
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metahacker wrote: |
Any idea where they are made? I got some Ocap tie rods for my most recent Bus front end rebuild...and they were made in italy. they seem fine. maybe better than my "EU" Meyles on the other bus ... |
Well....Ocap is an Italian company. They do have several plants in Italy.
As of 2002 they have one or more in India. In 2007 they opened one or more in China. In 2012.....they opened "offices" in Russia and France.
Quality level now? I just dont know.
As far a "RareParts".....very mixed. Some of their stufc I have seen is very good quality. But for example.....their version of the VW 411 and 412 balljoint is pure junk. The flange bends when you bolt it down. And the cost.....is high.
By the way....I just went to RareParts website and looked up a ball joint for VW 411 and 412.....and they state "must send core for rebuild".....$256 for each hall joint.
Ihttps://shop.rareparts.com/search?year=1972&make=VOLKSWAGEN&model=411
I can build you a solution (for my car) using aftermarket generic racing ball joints that covers both joints and is rebuildable......for that much or less.
I have no idea what they have for a bus. Wait....here it is....
https://shop.rareparts.com/BE1013378-10186-BALL-JO...RANSPORTER
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22668 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:09 am Post subject: Re: Best ball joints? troubles with new Lemforders |
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[quote="trihartsfield"]
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
even the guy on the box is throwing them in the fucking trash
man, we have for sure hit a new low here...
Now that shit is funny!!![/b][/i][/u] |
URO
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12722 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:38 am Post subject: Re: Best ball joints? troubles with new Lemforders |
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If you know, you know:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/382007130683 _________________ Learn how your vintage VW works. And why it doesn't!
One-on-one tech help for your Volkswagen:
www.airschooled.com |
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