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AlmostHeavenWV_VW Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2017 Posts: 1966 Location: WV
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:36 pm Post subject: Kamei Front Spoiler / Lip / Air Dam Info and Installation |
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***Note: There are different versions of the Kamei for standard beetles vs super beetles***
Original Kamei front spoilers are pretty rare, but there are a decent amount of reproductions available. Usually can be found Samba Classifieds, eBay, parts swaps, etc. They aren't available new from vendors (AFAIK).
Front Kamei "spoilers" (more correctly a front 'air dam') are a popular accessory and they also provide increases in stability at highway speeds for the beetles. . The main advantage is the reduction of 'front end lift' at highway speeds, which decreases the front end 'lightness' at speed.
Here's a thread with actual wind tunnel data which demonstrates this:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=490066
Additional threads with info on these front air dams
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=694350&highlight=kamei
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=635486&highlight=kamei
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7868541&highlight=#7868541
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7774408&highlight=#7774408
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/search.php?searc...=titleonly
Long story, short:
I liked the look and potential functional benefits of the Kamei, but....
The Original Kamei's mounted by drilling through the front fenders and bolting the Kamei to the fenders at the bottom and by "sandwiching" the top lip of the Kamei between the inner lip of the bumper and the bumper bracket.
I didn't want to drill unnecessary holes in my fenders, so I fabricated some supporting brackets to use instead of the fender mounting method (as all the fender mounting does is to prevent the Kamei from 'tucking under' under the air pressure at highway speeds. So all I needed to do was make something to perform that same function.
Also, as usual- I wanted to be follow the theory of "modification without alteration"; meaning that I prefer my add-ons to be easily reversible without permanent changes to the fundamental ACVW canvas.
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Supplies:
---You'll need some longer, appropriately sized hardware to replace the lower bumper mounting bolts
(I used SAE stainless steel "carriage bolts" (5/16" x 3/4" long)
---Aluminum flat stock 1/8"x1"x3ft piece (each bracket used about 12")
---Electric drill & drill bits of appropriate size
--- "Burnishing" wheel/ grinder/sander/sandpaper
--- A few clamps
--- Pliers of various types
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Now onto the project:
Aluminum flat stock 1/8"x1"x3ft piece (each bracket used about 12" IIRC)
Brackets cut to size and bent, also note 'smoothed' ends (sanded to remove sharp/square edges to prevent scratching against the bumper or the Kamei)
Mounting holes drilled to mount the bracket to bumper bolts
Measurements of bends, mounting holes etc. (one word of advice- drill the holes maybe a 1/4" closer to the end of the bracket, to prevent the end rubbing on the inside of the bumper.
Brackets painted rattle-can rustoleum gloss black to blend in behind the bumper
I used longer SAE stainless steel "carriage bolts" (5/16" x 3/4" long), nuts and washers to put it all together. I used the two lower, outer bumper mounting bolts for mounting the top side of the Kamei, but there is no 'permanent attachment' from the bracket to the spoiler at the bottom. I simply bent the bracket so that its bottom end was about an 1/8" from touching the Kamei (to prevent 'chattering' between the bracket and Kamei around town, but so that when the air pressure increased against the Kamei on the highway it would not allow it to 'tuck under' and be ineffective at doing its job.
Also, I chose to make the bracket as a curved radius (rather than a 'sharp' bend) so that (theoretically) as the air pushed against the bottom of the spoiler it would transfer the force up, around, and push into the mounting bolt thereby using the sheer strength of the carriage bolt at the top, rather than simply relying on the bracket 'bend strength'/'rigidity of the aluminum itself.
Various perspectives of brackets and spoiler installed on my 73 standard:
Happy Bug'n _________________ 1973 Standard Beetle
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Last edited by AlmostHeavenWV_VW on Sun Jan 27, 2019 4:51 am; edited 1 time in total |
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vamram Samba Member
Joined: March 08, 2012 Posts: 7304 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoiler / Lip / Air Dam Info and Installation |
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You've become and tireless cataloger of cool VW things lately. Nice work again!
I bet you could fab and sell those brackets too for the fabrication-challenged. _________________ Eventually, "we are what we pretend to be.’”
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Mertman Samba Member
Joined: November 10, 2008 Posts: 16 Location: Nottingham, England
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:45 am Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoiler / Lip / Air Dam Info and Installation |
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That's a neat solution!
I used to run one on my bug. It was a 1303 version though so I didn't keep it for long, but I refrained from drilling my fenders like you did. It did make a difference though. At speed it felt much more stable!
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neil68 Samba Member
Joined: March 17, 2007 Posts: 3440 Location: Calgary, Canada
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VengeanceASX Samba Member
Joined: December 26, 2018 Posts: 98 Location: Bakersfield
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoiler / Lip / Air Dam Info and Installation |
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Do these really work? They look pretty cool I guess even if they don't work. |
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Gerrelt Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2004 Posts: 682 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:26 am Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoiler / Lip / Air Dam Info and Installation |
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VengeanceASX wrote: |
Do these really work? They look pretty cool I guess even if they don't work. |
Yes, they do. They even did a windtunnel test on them:
That's a page from the manual, for the other pages, see:
http://www.gerrelt.nl/category-documents/kameifrontspoiler
I did the same thing as AlmostHeavenWV_VW, I didn't want to drill holes in the fenders too.
But my brackets are in two parts, and I did bolt it to the bottom of the spoiler.
I also added two brackets in the middle, that attached the bottom of the spoiler to the front of the framehead. But my car is a 1303, so it's a bit different there.
See:
http://www.gerrelt.nl/section-aerodynamics/modifications-kamei
The spoiler I used was meant for a standard beetle, but it fitted with minor adjustments. _________________ homepage
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H2OSB Samba Member
Joined: April 14, 2013 Posts: 1292 Location: Modesto, CA
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:29 am Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoiler / Lip / Air Dam Info and Installation |
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Excellent job! _________________ (o\_i_/o) I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants. |
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RailBoy Samba Member
Joined: March 10, 2008 Posts: 2904 Location: Virginia
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoiler / Lip / Air Dam Info and Installation |
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Just pondering for I bet you are thinking a Jig on your brackets..
I like the info that is here and the report planning on selling them?
Hope you are good, yea, fellow German Looker Eunthiest is all.. RB _________________ [quote="smitty24"]"HELP, I ported my own heads and now have fire coming out my ass" .[/quote]
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Meiang Samba Member
Joined: September 27, 2016 Posts: 656 Location: Perth, Western Australia
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoiler / Lip / Air Dam Info and Installation |
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When I fitted the Kamei Spoiler to my Volkswagen S (VW 1302S) back in 1981 the centre of the spoiler was very close to the valence below the hood. All I did was put some resilient foam (hard type) and stuck it between the spoiler and the bodywork using double sided tape. This fixed the problem. A central support is all that was needed.
One thing to be aware of with the spoilers is that while the models made a long time ago had a dimple pattern in the front surface. The new ones are made with a plain flat surface. This plain flat surface has minor marks from the manufacturing process and requires the spoiler to be painted. I have six of them and they are all the same. |
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RailBoy Samba Member
Joined: March 10, 2008 Posts: 2904 Location: Virginia
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoiler / Lip / Air Dam Info and Installation |
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Were the First Kombie's made of Pro-Injected Molded Plastic? Why they flex?
I am running a knock-off for there unavailable, and mine is a Fiber Glass version, very stiff and have Four Bolts mounting it to the bumper. Not to say the reinforcement bracket is not needed.... RB _________________ [quote="smitty24"]"HELP, I ported my own heads and now have fire coming out my ass" .[/quote]
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Meiang Samba Member
Joined: September 27, 2016 Posts: 656 Location: Perth, Western Australia
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoiler / Lip / Air Dam Info and Installation |
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As far as I am aware the material is ABS.
New Kamei Spoilers are available. |
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RailBoy Samba Member
Joined: March 10, 2008 Posts: 2904 Location: Virginia
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:58 am Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoiler / Lip / Air Dam Info and Installation |
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Meiang, were are you able to source the Kamei Air Dams from? Looking for them now since you say there available for my notes..
Thanks for your time.. RB _________________ [quote="smitty24"]"HELP, I ported my own heads and now have fire coming out my ass" .[/quote]
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kangaboy Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2010 Posts: 1063 Location: St. Louis, Mo
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:05 am Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoiler / Lip / Air Dam Info and Installation |
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Option for US buyers. I wanted one but apparently they wont fit on my 74 with impact bumper mounts
https://www.ebay.com/i/233082528284?chn=ps _________________ -74 Standard - "CaliBug" 2084T, MS3X w/FI and Crank Fire
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
that fucking thing looks like it drove through a J.C. Whitney catalogue and hit everything on the way out |
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Meiang Samba Member
Joined: September 27, 2016 Posts: 656 Location: Perth, Western Australia
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:43 am Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoiler / Lip / Air Dam Info and Installation |
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I can't see why the Kamei Spoiler will not fit an impact absorbing bumper. Here is a picture of one.
Spoilers come up on Ebay all the time. Just have to be looking. |
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kangaboy Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2010 Posts: 1063 Location: St. Louis, Mo
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:45 am Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoiler / Lip / Air Dam Info and Installation |
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Meiang wrote: |
I can't see why the Kamei Spoiler will not fit an impact absorbing bumper. Here is a picture of one. |
Maybe it just requires a little bit of custom install. Can anyone else chime in on this? I've been wanting one for a while. _________________ -74 Standard - "CaliBug" 2084T, MS3X w/FI and Crank Fire
-76 Westy - "Gandalf"
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
that fucking thing looks like it drove through a J.C. Whitney catalogue and hit everything on the way out |
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VengeanceASX Samba Member
Joined: December 26, 2018 Posts: 98 Location: Bakersfield
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoiler / Lip / Air Dam Info and Installation |
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I think I'm going to have to do this. |
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RailBoy Samba Member
Joined: March 10, 2008 Posts: 2904 Location: Virginia
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:58 am Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoiler / Lip / Air Dam Info and Installation |
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I will chime into this one for I mounted mine by myself and was winging it. Guess I got the angle right for it did help performance at speed in a big way.
I used PVC 3/4" pipe I had and contored the cutes into each side so that I could get the angel right. Yes it took a bit of time for I have 4 Stainless Bolts holding it in place, but in the end it worked out, plus once tightened down pretty snuggly which you can do with PVC with the Blots going through them, it seams stationary to me. Also, mine is Fiber Glass. Oh, once done I put a few dabs of Blue Lock Tite on the nuts to make sure they would not rattle loose.. RB
_________________ [quote="smitty24"]"HELP, I ported my own heads and now have fire coming out my ass" .[/quote]
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Volcrew Samba Member
Joined: March 23, 2014 Posts: 112 Location: South Texas
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:25 am Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoiler / Lip / Air Dam Info and Installation |
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RailBoy wrote: |
Meiang, were are you able to source the Kamei Air Dams from? Looking for them now since you say there available for my notes..
Thanks for your time.. RB |
I bought mine from Hoffmann when I was in Germany and carried it back.
https://en.hoffmann-speedster.com/beetle/body-oute...0?c=135938 _________________ 1975 FI T1 Cliff Grün L61A |
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Meiang Samba Member
Joined: September 27, 2016 Posts: 656 Location: Perth, Western Australia
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:57 am Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoiler / Lip / Air Dam Info and Installation |
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I think he is looking for a 1302/1303 version not the standard Beetle which Hoffman Speedster have. |
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RailBoy Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoiler / Lip / Air Dam Info and Installation |
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Mine came out of Australia, forget the guys who made it, but maybe the location can tell you to email to confirm what you are looking for.... RB _________________ [quote="smitty24"]"HELP, I ported my own heads and now have fire coming out my ass" .[/quote]
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