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$74 expensive. I might have a late bay used one in good shape for 1/2 that shipped.
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I have one here in front of me... I’m hoping others have any experience to offer, good or bad.
The metal pipe for the breather and plastic Y for the AAR/decel valve are 3mm different in OD. But the ID of the WW S-boot spigots are the same; 3mm too small for the plastic Y.
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Be careful using that WW boot. IT COULD CAUSE CANCER AND REPRODUCTIVE HARM!!!  
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West S-Boot questions |
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| Xevin wrote: |
| Be careful using that WW boot. IT COULD CAUSE CANCER AND REPRODUCTIVE HARM!!! |
But only in California
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Does heat help?
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We ended up grinding 2mm (1mm, because circles,) off the inner ID. The outer rubber part visible in the photo that captures the plastic bead is fine. The inner inner sleeve is the one that’s too small.
For those reading for education, note how the metal pipe lip is FULLY installed in the boot. No lip should be visible on either for proper sealing. GeeBee’s s-boot, while excellent in construction, lacks this feature for proper fit. Only genuine VW and AirHead Parts S-boots have the correct dimensions for easy installation AND proper sealing.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West S-Boot questions |
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| Xevin wrote: |
| Be careful using that WW boot. IT COULD CAUSE CANCER AND REPRODUCTIVE HARM!!! |
I wonder what butthead fought that legal fight.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West S-Boot questions |
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We ended up grinding 2mm (1mm, because circles,) off the inner ID. The outer rubber part visible in the photo that captures the plastic bead is fine. The inner inner sleeve is the one that’s too small.
For those reading for education, note how the metal pipe lip is FULLY installed in the boot. No lip should be visible on either for proper sealing. GeeBee’s s-boot, while excellent in construction, lacks this feature for proper fit. Only genuine VW and AirHead Parts S-boots have the correct dimensions for easy installation AND proper sealing.
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A bit confused here...
Are you saying the lower step on the inside of the wye port is too narrow to accept the wye to be fully seated?
Why are you inserting the lip into the sleave? I have never done that and considered the lip as a stop for correct 50/50 length balance between the hose connection and the boot. The lip acts as a stop so neither the wye nor the metal pipe get inserted too far into either the boot or the hose. Seems to me the lip being inserted into the boot ports will lead to cracking at that point.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West S-Boot questions |
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| Xevin wrote: |
| Be careful using that WW boot. IT COULD CAUSE CANCER AND REPRODUCTIVE HARM!!! |
Only if you smoke angle dust in it.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West S-Boot questions |
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| asiab3 wrote: |
We ended up grinding 2mm (1mm, because circles,) off the inner ID. The outer rubber part visible in the photo that captures the plastic bead is fine. The inner inner sleeve is the one that’s too small.
For those reading for education, note how the metal pipe lip is FULLY installed in the boot. No lip should be visible on either for proper sealing. GeeBee’s s-boot, while excellent in construction, lacks this feature for proper fit. Only genuine VW and AirHead Parts S-boots have the correct dimensions for easy installation AND proper sealing.
Robbie |
A bit confused here...
Are you saying the lower step on the inside of the wye port is too narrow to accept the wye to be fully seated?
Why are you inserting the lip into the sleave? I have never done that and considered the lip as a stop for correct 50/50 length balance between the hose connection and the boot. The lip acts as a stop so neither the wye nor the metal pipe get inserted too far into either the boot or the hose. Seems to me the lip being inserted into the boot ports will lead to cracking at that point.
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Geebee is a member here that makes some quality aftermarket parts.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West S-Boot questions |
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| Be careful using that WW boot. IT COULD CAUSE CANCER AND REPRODUCTIVE HARM!!! |
Only if you smoke angle dust in it. |
Yep, angle dust and angel dust has the same proposition 65 warning on its packages. Good to know what your risking I suppose 
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:04 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West S-Boot questions |
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Why are you inserting the lip into the sleave? I have never done that and considered the lip as a stop for correct 50/50 length balance between the hose connection and the boot. The lip acts as a stop so neither the wye nor the metal pipe get inserted too far into either the boot or the hose. Seems to me the lip being inserted into the boot ports will lead to cracking at that point.
Are you saying the lower step on the inside of the wye port is too narrow to accept the wye to be fully seated? |
This is the best I can do right now… Here are "cutaway" views of each spigot on four S-boots that I know of. The two with the stars are correct; see how the have a groove to accept the bead? I have seen buses riding on tow trucks like a kid with a booboo on its knee because component hoses popped out of the s-boots…
*not to scale, like duh?
We were able to get the Y into the WW boot only just past the groove. Dremel-grinding 2mm more of the "lower" thick portion allowed us to force the Y into place. It will probably not come out without cutting the boot.
Just buy the AirHead boot… (Cheaper too!)
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https://airheadparts.com/vw-part/afm-to-throttle-body-intake-sleeve-022-129-967-ac/
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:03 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West S-Boot questions |
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| Thank you! I will definitely take a closer look at mine when I get a chance. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:52 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West S-Boot questions |
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both the wye and the metal parts are supposed to pop in to where the ring seats in the slots in the S-boot. I bought a bunch when no one knew how rare they would get but GeeBee makes very good products and I would not hesitate to use one of his.
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Geebee's s-boots come with clamps to hold those two nipples in place. The material the boot is made from is pretty slippery, and they could pop out. However, I haven't had a problem with mine in two years. Even futzing around inside the engine compartment doesn't knock things off. So I'm happy with the product, especially since it can't crack with age.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West S-Boot questions |
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| Geebee's s-boots come with clamps to hold those two nipples in place. The material the boot is made from is pretty slippery, and they could pop out. However, I haven't had a problem with mine in two years. Even futzing around inside the engine compartment doesn't knock things off. So I'm happy with the product, especially since it can't crack with age. |
Got pictures of the clamps? How did I not see those on your engine? 
I haven’t heard of anyone having a problem with the GeeBee boot either, but old stock VW boots that have hardened with age can leak easier when the beads aren’t fully inserted.
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| Geebee's s-boots come with clamps to hold those two nipples. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:15 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West S-Boot questions |
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| Geebee's s-boots come with clamps to hold those two nipples in place. The material the boot is made from is pretty slippery, and they could pop out. However, I haven't had a problem with mine in two years. Even futzing around inside the engine compartment doesn't knock things off. So I'm happy with the product, especially since it can't crack with age. |
Got pictures of the clamps? How did I not see those on your engine?
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Okay, so much for relying on memory....
The two nipples (yes, Xevin, I said TWO nipples!) are pressed in and fit tightly.
The two clamps I was thinking about are on the large ends of the s-boot.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:43 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West S-Boot questions |
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| Geebee's s-boots come with clamps to hold those two nipples in place. The material the boot is made from is pretty slippery, and they could pop out. However, I haven't had a problem with mine in two years. Even futzing around inside the engine compartment doesn't knock things off. So I'm happy with the product, especially since it can't crack with age. |
Got pictures of the clamps? How did I not see those on your engine?
I haven’t heard of anyone having a problem with the GeeBee boot either, but old stock VW boots that have hardened with age can leak easier when the beads aren’t fully inserted.
Robbie |
Robbie, the next time you are in the company of a new boot without the grooves, get out your tired hd Dremel cutting wheel with the disappearing diameter, and make yourself some low rpm grooves 5/16" in from the edge after you have reamed that plastic nipple's too-small hole. The grooves actually help you expand the end of the s-boot to accept the nipples.
I am totally surprised at how many s-boots I have visited over the years that have the breather and decel plastic wye dislodged from the grooves. I have learned how much I can push things to get the nipples back in petrified boots. A screwdriver walk around the edge of the opening as you rotate the nipple and push firmly (like you are trying to mount a tire with old-school equipment) has never not worked. Goop hand cleaner has been very helpful as a lubricant that lets you wipe your hands clean when you are done.
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