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EmpiGT Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2005 Posts: 2597
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:28 pm Post subject: Factory Frame rail joining process? |
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Watching the barndoor build threads they all do something I never saw on later splits. Everyone seems to add an inner strengthener at the seam mid frame. I thought this was just for added strength for the builder's piece of mind. Like this.
Pic borrowed from Artur
But looking thru the gallery this looks like a barndoor only piece. I had 3 early 1956 Wolfsburg built busses without this.
Pic borrowed from Joe Caraway
Why did vw not continue this?
Also in what way did vw weld the frame rails together? If you look at the weld seam itself, it has two peeks with a valley between them running the length of the seam. Not like and arc, mig, tig, or any welded seem I've seen. Someone once told me this was a fusion type seem by putting power to one frame rail and ground the other and pressure. I didn't think that guy knew what he was talking about. But it is a strange looking weld.
If you Google fusion welding it shows nothing like what the vw welded seam looks like. |
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Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 3853 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: Factory Frame rail joining process? |
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I'm pretty sure they're resistance welded. And I suspect they determined the "sistering" plate on earlier frames wasn't adding much value, being centrally located. The floor and crossmembers (and body too) bring a fair amount of stiffness to the frame, but since I am not familiar with barndoor frames, there may be other factors at play also.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upset_welding
Edit: changed "lapping" to "sistering" to avoid the obvious misnomer. Either way, it's construction jargon
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easy e Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2008 Posts: 3931 Location: 1 hr north of Santa Barbara
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:26 pm Post subject: Re: Factory Frame rail joining process? |
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EmpiGT wrote: |
Why did vw not continue this? |
The oacdp.org BD manual shows the reinforcement plate as part no. 211 703 117
PR has a mention at 14 Nov. 53 : Chassis Now: side members with welded reinforcements
Parts List calls out frame rail as "side member."
1958 Parts list still has it in there... buy my Feb. '58 bus does not have the plates.
oacdp.org 58-67 Parts List shows it as NLA.
So, don't really know the answer to your question... just putting up some background info.
I'd imagine it's some variety of butt weld. From what I remember... looked like double sided arc to me. _________________ aka: Evan
Spreadsheet for Bus RPM, based on gearing & tire size (Excel format)
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Okie Adam Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2003 Posts: 1347 Location: OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOklahoma
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:54 am Post subject: Re: Factory Frame rail joining process? |
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You know, I have this on my April 55 bus and I always thought it was an add on from somewhere in the buses past. I just learned something new! _________________ Oil Capital Air Cooled
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npbusguy Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2006 Posts: 1658 Location: Budapest, Hungary
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:30 am Post subject: Re: Factory Frame rail joining process? |
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To me, the frame rail welds always looked like larger versions of "upset butt welds" that are used to join band saw blades together. (I used to be in the band saw industry)
For those interested in the machinery and process, here is a link to the foremost supplier of band saw and strip steel welders. https://www.ideal-werk.com/en/products/band-saws/
The process pushes the two pieces of steel together and the slag and impurities form a similar ridge of material thar can be seen on the bus frames.
The same machine also annals the welded area, and then the slag is ground off to create the finished blade surface.
I'd imagine that the machines used to weld the bus frame rails together were similar, albeit a bit larger. |
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