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Raffenerat Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2013 Posts: 13 Location: Västerås, Sweden
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:14 pm Post subject: 1946 Engine case with 4 Cam & 16V |
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I can't hold myself... Must show you guys...
I just bought a REALLY strange engine and what you see is what I know, because that's all I've seen to! I bought it as is and have to wait to getting it home (1100 miles) so I can see what's in it! NOT a clue...
But you can see that the case is from 24.9.46 on the last picture. 🤔
It is 16 valve and 4 cam... and it's not finnished!
Maybe someone tryed to make an aircraft engine, but then it should have double sparks.
We'll see...
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: June 24, 2015 Posts: 719 Location: Rialto. CA
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: 1946 Engine case with 4 Cam & 16V |
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Nice engine ...it does look to be an airplane engine ..its been shown that 4 valve heads don't work vary well in an aircooled engine there's always problems with the exhaust valves on 4 valve air cooled engines ... I can't wait till you open it up to See what's in it ...i hope you can show pics when you do 👍 ...how much you buy this engine for ?? And what country??? |
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Danwvw Samba Member
Joined: July 31, 2012 Posts: 8892 Location: Oregon Coast
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: 1946 Engine case with 4 Cam & 16V |
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Wow! Are those Aluminum Cylinders? Can't wait to see how the cams are chained to the crank! What were you thinking of running it in? _________________ 1960 Beetle And 1679cc DP W-100 & Dual Zeniths! |
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Rome Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2004 Posts: 9654 Location: Pearl River, NY
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: 1946 Engine case with 4 Cam & 16V |
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German-made Vogelsang VW-based engine for German WW2 navy landing craft? The aluminum parts actually look almost too good/uncorroded to be that old. |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: June 24, 2015 Posts: 719 Location: Rialto. CA
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:19 pm Post subject: Re: 1946 Engine case with 4 Cam & 16V |
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Rome wrote: |
German-made Vogelsang VW-based engine for German WW2 navy landing craft? The aluminum parts actually look almost too good/uncorroded to be that old. |
The heads look to be billet too... I doubt they were doing billet aluminum in that time and the alan wrench bolts on the cam covers seems new age to me to ..i think someone got a 46 case and build it ..heads were build maybe20/30 years ago but who knows i could be 100 % wrong it's my guessing .. |
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Raffenerat Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2013 Posts: 13 Location: Västerås, Sweden
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Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:26 am Post subject: Re: 1946 Engine case with 4 Cam & 16V |
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[email protected] wrote: |
Nice engine ...it does look to be an airplane engine ..its been shown that 4 valve heads don't work vary well in an aircooled engine there's always problems with the exhaust valves on 4 valve air cooled engines ... I can't wait till you open it up to See what's in it ...i hope you can show pics when you do 👍 ...how much you buy this engine for ?? And what country??? |
We'll see if we can find out more about the machine!
I got a winning bid at an auction in UK, England... But I'm from Sweden...
It was an ordinary irl auction with Internet function and this lot was the only engine part together with books, paintings and other shit stuff! So I got it quite sheep... MAYBE... 🤔
Danwvw wrote: |
Wow! Are those Aluminum Cylinders? Can't wait to see how the cams are chained to the crank! What were you thinking of running it in? |
I'm not sure what I'm going to do with it... 😂 Need to check it up first before I make a plan...
But I'm working on a -65 panel bus with a quick change system for swapping the complete powertrain! 😁 Maybe parts of this can be something for that... 🤔
Rome wrote: |
German-made Vogelsang VW-based engine for German WW2 navy landing craft? The aluminum parts actually look almost too good/uncorroded to be that old. |
[email protected] wrote: |
The heads look to be billet too... I doubt they were doing billet aluminum in that time and the alan wrench bolts on the cam covers seems new age to me to ..i think someone got a 46 case and build it ..heads were build maybe20/30 years ago but who knows i could be 100 % wrong it's my guessing .. |
I can't agree more with you both... But it's still a mystery...
Who the fuck did all that and WHY...??? Am I going to find a total failure inside? Why killing a case from 1946 in "modern time"? Is it totaly billet or lots of casting?
I try to get in contact with the seller (thrue the auction company) and see if that's ANY history available!
Is it somebodys father with technic skills and his own work shop? And he just passed away...??? OR WHAT? 🤔 _________________ Think outside the Boxer
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: June 24, 2015 Posts: 719 Location: Rialto. CA
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Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:49 am Post subject: Re: 1946 Engine case with 4 Cam & 16V |
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I know the heads are not finished ,or have many pics of it yet .. but what I was thinking is how would the oil for the cams enter the top intake cams and also how would the oil drain from the top to the bottom. the porsche 4 cam has a tube from the intake cam to the exhaust cams for the oil to drain to 🤔🤔 maybe the person didn't think of it but I can't wait till you open it up and show us what's in it ...im a big big fan of stuff like this I love how people come up with new ideas that no one has seen ..it gives me more confident to make stuff like this do to the fact if they can build stuff like this in there time for sure we can do it with all the technology we have compare to them and they did it come on folks use your brain and start making cool heads for our vw 25hp,36hp,40hp engines 🤔👍👍👏👏 |
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Raffenerat Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2013 Posts: 13 Location: Västerås, Sweden
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Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:57 am Post subject: Re: 1946 Engine case with 4 Cam & 16V |
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[email protected] wrote: |
I know the heads are not finished ,or have many pics of it yet .. but what I was thinking is how would the oil for the cams enter the top intake cams and also how would the oil drain from the top to the bottom. the porsche 4 cam has a tube from the intake cam to the exhaust cams for the oil to drain to 🤔🤔 maybe the person didn't think of it but I can't wait till you open it up and show us what's in it ...im a big big fan of stuff like this I love how people come up with new ideas that no one has seen ..it gives me more confident to make stuff like this do to the fact if they can build stuff like this in there time for sure we can do it with all the technology we have compare to them and they did it come on folks use your brain and start making cool heads for our vw 25hp,36hp,40hp engines 🤔👍👍👏👏 |
🤘😂 I also had my thoughts on the oil, but I wait... 🤔
I like when people are using their brains for fun tech... And my personel problem is to much thinking, to many thoughts, to many projects and to less time... 🤔
(my english isn't perfect, but U understand) _________________ Think outside the Boxer |
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snowbug Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2005 Posts: 167 Location: Oshawa Ontario Canada
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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:10 am Post subject: Re: 1946 Engine case with 4 Cam & 16V |
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Perhaps Subaru cams will bolt right in . _________________ Old enough to remember THRILLS, the gum that tastes like soap. |
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Raffenerat Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2013 Posts: 13 Location: Västerås, Sweden
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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: 1946 Engine case with 4 Cam & 16V |
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snowbug wrote: |
Perhaps Subaru cams will bolt right in . |
Propobly not! Different CC between the cylinders...
But maybee Porsche 356 Carrera... Sounds sheap! Not... 🤔 _________________ Think outside the Boxer |
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56samba Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2015 Posts: 262 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:36 am Post subject: Re: 1946 Engine case with 4 Cam & 16V |
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That must be one of the coolest engines I have ever seen!!! You can be really lucky.
It was like a trend in the 50's to modify especially 25hp aluminium engines to 4 cam engine. I heard people were also using Lloyd Alexander heads. I find it interesting to see casted parts for a unique engine, always have to think about the effort, time and money to build these parts in a small number of units.
Regarding the issue of missing oil in the heads... looks like the oil cooler was placed somewhere else, so tubes could also supply the heads with lubrication?
Can't wait to see more pics and how it looks inside!!
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Raffenerat Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2013 Posts: 13 Location: Västerås, Sweden
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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:28 am Post subject: Re: 1946 Engine case with 4 Cam & 16V |
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56samba wrote: |
That must be one of the coolest engines I have ever seen!!! You can be really lucky.
It was like a trend in the 50's to modify especially 25hp aluminium engines to 4 cam engine. I heard people were also using Lloyd Alexander heads. I find it interesting to see casted parts for a unique engine, always have to think about the effort, time and money to build these parts in a small number of units.
Regarding the issue of missing oil in the heads... looks like the oil cooler was placed somewhere else, so tubes could also supply the heads with lubrication?
Can't wait to see more pics and how it looks inside!!
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Yeah, it's really cool...
But I have to many projects - even cooler - so I'll see what to do with this one! 🤔
Maybe it's fit in my -65 panel bus... or not... 🙄
I need to get about 300 years old to manage all my crazy projects... 🤪👌 _________________ Think outside the Boxer |
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D-train Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2007 Posts: 1455
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: 1946 Engine case with 4 Cam & 16V |
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What a weapon! Interested to see the internals of it. _________________ shiny paint doesnt make it worth any more |
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henry roberts Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2003 Posts: 1276 Location: australia
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Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:35 am Post subject: Re: 1946 Engine case with 4 Cam & 16V |
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is anyone else thinking the cam covers look to be different to the heads/timing chain covers?
not only the alloy a different colour, but some of the details and there looks to be more grot in the fins of the heads.
possibly a later attempt to finish the project off??
i like how you can see the layout markings in the first picture. |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: June 24, 2015 Posts: 719 Location: Rialto. CA
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: 1946 Engine case with 4 Cam & 16V |
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So any new news about the engine ..have you gotten it home already .. |
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Raffenerat Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2013 Posts: 13 Location: Västerås, Sweden
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:40 am Post subject: Re: 1946 Engine case with 4 Cam & 16V |
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[email protected] wrote: |
So any new news about the engine ..have you gotten it home already .. |
Nope, still waiting for a guy to help me get it shipped, (when he has time)! No panic! If it had been closer I would go myself, but it's about 1120 miles from here... and back... _________________ Think outside the Boxer |
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anthax Samba Member
Joined: October 21, 2016 Posts: 283 Location: Hälsingland, Sweden
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Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:46 am Post subject: Re: 1946 Engine case with 4 Cam & 16V |
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Läckert fynd! |
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Raffenerat Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2013 Posts: 13 Location: Västerås, Sweden
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Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:30 am Post subject: Re: 1946 Engine case with 4 Cam & 16V |
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anthax wrote: |
Läckert fynd! |
Ja, vi får se vad fan det är! Inte en ANING om vad det är inuti... Vet inte ett smack mer än vad bilderna säger! Haha.... Snacka om att shoppa grisen i säcken!
Den står i min kollegas dotters garage i Dover och väntar på att dom ska få tid att packa den för transport! Man vill ju inte ligga på när man får hjälp av bekantas bekanta....
Den som väntar på nått gott, väntar alltid för länge... 😁 _________________ Think outside the Boxer |
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Kjell T Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2018 Posts: 1 Location: Finland
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:06 am Post subject: Re: 1946 Engine case with 4 Cam & 16V |
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Finns det några uppgifter på var denna intressanta motor är byggd? |
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Raffenerat Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2013 Posts: 13 Location: Västerås, Sweden
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:34 am Post subject: Re: 1946 Engine case with 4 Cam & 16V |
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Kjell T wrote: |
Finns det några uppgifter på var denna intressanta motor är byggd? |
Ingenting öht...
Försökt luska fram NÅNTING via auktionsfirman som sålde den, men inget resultat...
(Let's write in english from now! ) _________________ Think outside the Boxer |
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