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surfindo Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2004 Posts: 442 Location: Haarlem, Netherland
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:39 am Post subject: pulling final gear from autostick |
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try to take this final gear out from autostick 001 gearbox case with no luck
any advice?
thanks
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lelef Samba Member
Joined: July 07, 2013 Posts: 215 Location: France
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: pulling final gear from autostick |
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remove at least 2 diff bolts |
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surfindo Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2004 Posts: 442 Location: Haarlem, Netherland
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: pulling final gear from autostick |
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lelef wrote: |
remove at least 2 diff bolts |
I tried this afternoon but I wasn't sure so decided to ask the forums first before I mess up with the torque value etc
thanks I'll try it again..have you done this yourself? |
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rugblaster Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2016 Posts: 1171 Location: San Angelo, Texas
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: pulling final gear from autostick |
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remove the entire gear carrier....(the pinion is sticking out there)
Hopefully you have measured and recorded the position of those diff bearing retainers. _________________ '69 Karmy, '69 Camper, Meyers clone, '65 drag bug, 10.78 @ 128 (sold it) '51 Dodge farm truck,
'09 MB E350 '18 MB E400, '65 Plymouth Valiant convertible and a '19 Ford F250 King Ranch (nicer, but dirty, farm truck)
VWoA factory trained line tech 75 till 90 or so
ASE Master Certification
VWoA Assoc. of Quality Technicians inductee (One of 25 in the five state southwest region)
La Confrerie des Chevaliers du Tastevin (San Angelo Chapter)
TCU ......GO FROGS!!!!!! |
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surfindo Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2004 Posts: 442 Location: Haarlem, Netherland
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: pulling final gear from autostick |
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rugblaster wrote: |
remove the entire gear carrier....(the pinion is sticking out there)
Hopefully you have measured and recorded the position of those diff bearing retainers. |
yes made special mark of two side bearing retainers and count rotation when i open it ..so i have to take out the pinion?to bad I dont have special tool to open
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rugblaster Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2016 Posts: 1171 Location: San Angelo, Texas
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: pulling final gear from autostick |
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yep, there is an expensive special tool for that. Sometimes VW clubs or organizations have tools they can loan out. I've seen long heavy punches ground in a certain way catch the teeth of that nut and whim wham the shit out of it till it's loosened......but you didn't hear that from me. _________________ '69 Karmy, '69 Camper, Meyers clone, '65 drag bug, 10.78 @ 128 (sold it) '51 Dodge farm truck,
'09 MB E350 '18 MB E400, '65 Plymouth Valiant convertible and a '19 Ford F250 King Ranch (nicer, but dirty, farm truck)
VWoA factory trained line tech 75 till 90 or so
ASE Master Certification
VWoA Assoc. of Quality Technicians inductee (One of 25 in the five state southwest region)
La Confrerie des Chevaliers du Tastevin (San Angelo Chapter)
TCU ......GO FROGS!!!!!! |
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surfindo Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2004 Posts: 442 Location: Haarlem, Netherland
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:15 am Post subject: Re: pulling final gear from autostick |
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rugblaster wrote: |
yep, there is an expensive special tool for that. Sometimes VW clubs or organizations have tools they can loan out. I've seen long heavy punches ground in a certain way catch the teeth of that nut and whim wham the shit out of it till it's loosened......but you didn't hear that from me. |
even with the right tool I still don't know how to loosens that retainer with the final gear still in place?
pic from vw t2 bus manual but I' m sure it use same pinion retainer tool
https://weddleindustries.com/product/1005786 |
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lelef Samba Member
Joined: July 07, 2013 Posts: 215 Location: France
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:57 am Post subject: Re: pulling final gear from autostick |
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I've rebuilt a lot of transmission not an autostick (conceptually nothing changes)
as you can see the special tool can be used only if the diff is removed, you can also use a key sector
which is an intermediate solution between a punch with a hammer and the special tool.
but to remove the pinion/shaft you have to disassemble all the transalex
in the Bug and Bus transalex you can remove the diff without problems
The autostick seems to be a little more complex
remove the input shaft could also help
to be honest I wouldn't worry too much about the tightening torque of those bolts
I would worry more about marking the position of the crown on the differential if you remove all the bolts |
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surfindo Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2004 Posts: 442 Location: Haarlem, Netherland
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:06 am Post subject: Re: pulling final gear from autostick |
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lelef wrote: |
I've rebuilt a lot of transmission not an autostick (conceptually nothing changes)
as you can see the special tool can be used only if the diff is removed, you can also use a key sector
which is an intermediate solution between a punch with a hammer and the special tool.
but to remove the pinion/shaft you have to disassemble all the transalex
in the Bug and Bus transalex you can remove the diff without problems
The autostick seems to be a little more complex
remove the input shaft could also help
to be honest I wouldn't worry too much about the tightening torque of those bolts
I would worry more about marking the position of the crown on the differential if you remove all the bolts |
my logic says the final gear has to go out first.i took off 3 bolts from the crown still no luck. don't want to take all bolts as it wont solve the problem.
I guess I'm stuck |
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lelef Samba Member
Joined: July 07, 2013 Posts: 215 Location: France
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:02 am Post subject: Re: pulling final gear from autostick |
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Link
from 10:00 should be usefull for you ,it's a 002 but it's very similar |
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rugblaster Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2016 Posts: 1171 Location: San Angelo, Texas
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:55 am Post subject: Re: pulling final gear from autostick |
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The special tool you need is not the VW381/14.....it is similar to the spanner pictured, but much larger and has a place for a 1/2 breaker bar. _________________ '69 Karmy, '69 Camper, Meyers clone, '65 drag bug, 10.78 @ 128 (sold it) '51 Dodge farm truck,
'09 MB E350 '18 MB E400, '65 Plymouth Valiant convertible and a '19 Ford F250 King Ranch (nicer, but dirty, farm truck)
VWoA factory trained line tech 75 till 90 or so
ASE Master Certification
VWoA Assoc. of Quality Technicians inductee (One of 25 in the five state southwest region)
La Confrerie des Chevaliers du Tastevin (San Angelo Chapter)
TCU ......GO FROGS!!!!!! |
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FreeBug Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2012 Posts: 4278 Location: deepest, darkest Switzerland
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:21 am Post subject: Re: pulling final gear from autostick |
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It's a pain, and that thing is quite brittle, not something you would want to take off with a punch. And be weary, the stock one has a split, the replacements do not, so loctite. And the stock torque sequence is a bit scary, you're supposed to take it to a high value, then come back down, iirc.
I don't see how you could do this without the special tool, and it would be hard to make. |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16879 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: pulling final gear from autostick |
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going off memory here....
doesn't the splined axle use a snap ring and just presses into the diff? as in, doesn't the splined portion pop out of the diff? _________________
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rugblaster Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2016 Posts: 1171 Location: San Angelo, Texas
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: pulling final gear from autostick |
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
going off memory here....
doesn't the splined axle use a snap ring and just presses into the diff? as in, doesn't the splined portion pop out of the diff? |
It's all one machined piece. There are circlips that hold the C/V joint flanges to the splines on the diff, but that's it.
I actually liked the autostick trans but most people thought they were shit. You could putt around town, leave it in 2nd and never even do any shifting or use the servo clutch. I had a nice '69 bug I shouldn't have sold. _________________ '69 Karmy, '69 Camper, Meyers clone, '65 drag bug, 10.78 @ 128 (sold it) '51 Dodge farm truck,
'09 MB E350 '18 MB E400, '65 Plymouth Valiant convertible and a '19 Ford F250 King Ranch (nicer, but dirty, farm truck)
VWoA factory trained line tech 75 till 90 or so
ASE Master Certification
VWoA Assoc. of Quality Technicians inductee (One of 25 in the five state southwest region)
La Confrerie des Chevaliers du Tastevin (San Angelo Chapter)
TCU ......GO FROGS!!!!!! |
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