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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34013 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: Buying your Kid's Way into College. |
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I think this is just the tip of the iceberg, and there are a lot of school deans and presidents sweating! Maybe even West Point, I hear.
With 30-50 accused, why do we only see two Hollywood women on the TV coverage? This is true of all networks, both left and right. I guess for ratings because they are attractive? Sorta diminishes their outrage... |
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hitest Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2008 Posts: 10296 Location: Prime Meridian, ID
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Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: Buying your Kid's Way into College. |
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What was the earliest "legal" advice you ever received from an adult?
It's not what you know, it's who you know.
The concept is as old as dirt. Parents have paid off the neighbors with the broken fence, the owner of the parked car the 16yo smashed, etc.- long before college was discussed at Sunday dinner. It was always in their plan to buy their kid out of the excuses due to the shortcomings they have as parents. Anybody watch "Mommie Dearest" almost 40 years ago? It was beneath Joan Crawford to have anything short of the perfect children- and we're talking 50s Hollywood.
There are plenty of direct at-fault dirty coaches and teachers, but there are plenty of good people at schools who never knew there could be such a scam going on (I honestly believe Lynn Swann). The media wants everyone to believe that everyone knew and kept it mum- because it is certainly not in fashion to report that good people see good in others and don't think like a leftist scammer. These folks do not deserve to be implicated by the f'ing leftist "it's my right to be heard" media. _________________
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Onceler Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2010 Posts: 1647 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: Buying your Kid's Way into College. |
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hitest wrote: |
What was the earliest "legal" advice you ever received from an adult?
It's not what you know, it's who you know.
The concept is as old as dirt. Parents have paid off the neighbors with the broken fence, the owner of the parked car the 16yo smashed, etc.- long before college was discussed at Sunday dinner. It was always in their plan to buy their kid out of the excuses due to the shortcomings they have as parents. Anybody watch "Mommie Dearest" almost 40 years ago? It was beneath Joan Crawford to have anything short of the perfect children- and we're talking 50s Hollywood.
There are plenty of direct at-fault dirty coaches and teachers, but there are plenty of good people at schools who never knew there could be such a scam going on (I honestly believe Lynn Swann). The media wants everyone to believe that everyone knew and kept it mum- because it is certainly not in fashion to report that good people see good in others and don't think like a leftist scammer. These folks do not deserve to be implicated by the f'ing leftist "it's my right to be heard" media. |
“Leftist” not quite seeing it as right or left. Unless you think leftists are rich _________________ 1972 Karmann Ghia |
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bigdog1962 Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2010 Posts: 1586 Location: Augusta, Georgia
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:00 am Post subject: Re: Buying your Kid's Way into College. |
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Forest Gump's mother is in a heap of trouble! _________________ Oprn wrote: I'm getting to the age that any self propelled woman (no wheel chair or walker) looks HOT!! Oooo! look at that Babe! She made it from the dining room all the way to the TV room without help!! Hubba, hubba!! |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12730 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:01 am Post subject: Re: Buying your Kid's Way into College. |
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I don't know if you in the USA have a 4H calf program for country kids. We do here in Canada and to summarize quickly it involves taking a weaned calf, the kid halter breaks it, feeds it, keeps financial records, feed records etc. at the end there is a weigh in, show and ultimately a sale and a grand champion is chosen based on the judging and sale price.
Sound good?
Sure does! But..
We quickly found out it was corrupt to the core! Has been for years! Just a show case for Daddy's herd bloodlines. Kids leading some big stear into the ring that they were terrified of. Ya right you fed and trained that calf!!
One kid told me his was so big because he locked it up in the barn with 3 milk cows for 6 months and lead good because he tied it's head up to the rafters the night before the sale so it's neck would be too sore to do anything but obey! Totally against the rules!
Then came the sale! Kids with beautiful looking calves struggling to get 85 cents a pound while the kids with big gun Dads were netting $1.45 a pound no matter what the beast looked like. Fertalizer, machinery, mineral supplement dealers scrambling over each other to try and get Dad's buisness.
When I brought up my concerns at the next meeting it was all nod, nod, wink, wink, giggle, giggle. Then I suggested a simple solution to level the playing field and was told in no uncertain terms that they were happy with things as is and invited us to leave.
And we did! What a way to raise your kids! |
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13389 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:14 am Post subject: Re: Buying your Kid's Way into College. |
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Wait, what?!
There's corruption in America? The rich are entitled? Our pathetic politicians are only worried about their own self interests?
Shut the front door...
EVERYONE of these kids involved in this scam should be kicked out of the colleges their rich parents got them into. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15308 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:34 am Post subject: Re: Buying your Kid's Way into College. |
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I just don't get the entire college thing. I worked my whole life with a good job and now retired with a comfortable retirement and I never went to college one single day.
College today is nothing more than a for profit money making business. The "Education" has long gone. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
2010 Sportsman ET Champion - Mid-America Dragway - Arkansas City, KS
1997 Sportsman ET Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble ,OK |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16879 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:53 am Post subject: Re: Buying your Kid's Way into College. |
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vwracerdave wrote: |
I just don't get the entire college thing. I worked my whole life with a good job and now retired with a comfortable retirement and I never went to college one single day.
College today is nothing more than a for profit money making business. The "Education" has long gone. |
I hate to say it, but it's old school thinking there. if you are 50+ that may be true...you'd pick up a paper, apply for a job with the town and retire with a pension.
now, many places want a bachelors at minimum. honestly...even a "good" non-college education job starts at 20/22 hr....very hard to make it on that imho (I live in CT...they tax you to blink) that may be baller status in other parts of the country...not sure.
places that will just hire you to give you a try are getting slim _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12856 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:05 am Post subject: Re: Buying your Kid's Way into College. |
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
I hate to say it, but it's old school thinking there. if you are 50+ that may be true...you'd pick up a paper, apply for a job with the town and retire with a pension.
now, many places want a bachelors at minimum. honestly...even a "good" non-college education job starts at 20/22 hr....very hard to make it on that imho (I live in CT...they tax you to blink) that may be baller status in other parts of the country...not sure.
places that will just hire you to give you a try are getting slim |
Tell that to all those that have thousands in student loans that can't find a job or the only job they can find is baby sitting the burger flippers. Just because someone has indebted themselves for life doesn't mean that they are guaranteed a high paying job. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16879 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:27 am Post subject: Re: Buying your Kid's Way into College. |
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TDCTDI wrote: |
Tell that to all those that have thousands in student loans that can't find a job or the only job they can find is baby sitting the burger flippers. Just because someone has indebted themselves for life doesn't mean that they are guaranteed a high paying job. |
to your point, that is a big issue. but so many go with something useless like an art degree....and wonder why they can't find a gig.
the other thing is they blow their wad at a "name brand" school...for what? my brother went to a community college and did quite well for himself.
hard to have the answer what to take...depends on what you want to do. the days of hiring someone that can fog a mirror are over...most places want some sort of background in the chosen degree for employment.
there are some good paying "manual labor" jobs....HVAC, fleet maintenance, plumbing to name a few. if I had it to do over, I would be doing HVAC. _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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hotsam Samba Member
Joined: December 02, 2015 Posts: 366 Location: Ashburn, VA
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:28 am Post subject: Re: Buying your Kid's Way into College. |
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vwracerdave wrote: |
I just don't get the entire college thing. I worked my whole life with a good job and now retired with a comfortable retirement and I never went to college one single day.
College today is nothing more than a for profit money making business. The "Education" has long gone. |
The days of graduating high school, getting a job with a pension, and being able to buy a house for $40k are over. _________________ 1968 Beetle |
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Spezialist Banned
Joined: July 01, 2005 Posts: 1941
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:42 am Post subject: Re: Buying your Kid's Way into College. |
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At some point a person realizes that most human problems have no cure, if it’s been a problem for thousands of years, how is some greenhorn going to solve it?
They ain’t.
But look on the bright side, those privledged kids have many pitfalls that the better equipped kids will steer clear of or not get in trouble with.
Nice to see some rational ranting going on around here, it’s healthy.
I’d easily say progressives are a disease, blaming people for being human everyday. _________________
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crofty Judas of the North
Joined: August 09, 2000 Posts: 19672 Location: Land of Whine and Phonies
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:52 am Post subject: Re: Buying your Kid's Way into College. |
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for every person caught in this BS a full scholarship should be awarded to a kid who has the smarts but cant afford to go to one of these schools. _________________ Your Vanagon sucks, Stop waving at me.
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Spezialist Banned
Joined: July 01, 2005 Posts: 1941
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:56 am Post subject: Re: Buying your Kid's Way into College. |
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crofty wrote: |
for every person caught in this BS a full scholarship should be awarded to a kid who has the smarts but cant afford to go to one of these schools. |
I see a Futurama episode unfolding. _________________
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Vanhag Samba Mortician
Joined: June 29, 2003 Posts: 2606 Location: Desert Coast
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:38 am Post subject: Re: Buying your Kid's Way into College. |
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bigdog1962 wrote: |
Forest Gump's mother is in a heap of trouble! |
“Your momma sure does care about your schoolin son.” _________________ CU05 w/HBB
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13389 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: Buying your Kid's Way into College. |
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TDCTDI wrote: |
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
I hate to say it, but it's old school thinking there. if you are 50+ that may be true...you'd pick up a paper, apply for a job with the town and retire with a pension.
now, many places want a bachelors at minimum. honestly...even a "good" non-college education job starts at 20/22 hr....very hard to make it on that imho (I live in CT...they tax you to blink) that may be baller status in other parts of the country...not sure.
places that will just hire you to give you a try are getting slim |
Tell that to all those that have thousands in student loans that can't find a job or the only job they can find is baby sitting the burger flippers. Just because someone has indebted themselves for life doesn't mean that they are guaranteed a high paying job. |
I totally agree with this comment. Some people are excellent at absorbing material and applying it back on tests. They are academically strong. However, they possess either no people/social skills or have zero common sense at all.
I've interviewed 100's of college grads over the decades. I personally wondered how they found the office location for the interview.
I'll always agree that a bachelors degree can open more doors for people interviewing for a job. However, a degree is not a guarantee you'll have a successful career. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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Jon Schmid Samba Member
Joined: May 29, 2012 Posts: 2038 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: Buying your Kid's Way into College. |
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Vanhag wrote: |
bigdog1962 wrote: |
Forest Gump's mother is in a heap of trouble! |
“Your momma sure does care about your schoolin son.” |
Hey, it worked out in the end. He ended up going to Alabama. |
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iamdonquixote Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2003 Posts: 2041 Location: M*ssholia
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: Buying your Kid's Way into College. |
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Its interesting that this story is coming to light during a time when a lot of smaller colleges and universities are in trouble financially.
It seems to me that there has been too much emphasis on the right "brand" in education and many schools spent too much money to upgrade facilities in order to appeal as elite. It follows then that students are willing to take on debt and parents pay whatever to achieve the right "brand" of education.
I think perhaps there might be change in America when it comes to higher education. The current paradigm seems to be sagging from its own weight.
Education doesn't have to be expensive to be good, and just because its expensive doesn't mean its good.
There should be legitimate avenues for exceptional people in education in our society for sure. They should be celebrated. We should also try to make sure all young children are given a good starting point, because sometimes we don't know when and which will become exceptional.
From what I understand, another irony of the story is that they used learning disability claims to get a a longer time or untimed SAT test, by which the proctors who where on the take just filled out the tests for the students. Some of the students didn't even know their parents paid off the system and wondered if they could get better scores if they took it again.
I think this story is more evidence that our society might be overly plutocratic. |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34013 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Buying your Kid's Way into College. |
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To continue this train of thought... once we diminish the evaluation of actual achievement--and it starts with the absence of scoring in youth sports and continues with automatic promotion to the next grade level--the pervasive "everybody's a winner" mentality destroys personal incentive to excel. We go WAY beyond leveling the playing field, and insist on level results.
We destroyed the value of a good and earned education, so why are we surprised it means so little today?
If GPA no longer means anything, then the school itself becomes the "badge of honor."
And now it goes to the highest bidder. |
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Dwayne1m Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2011 Posts: 3538 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: Buying your Kid's Way into College. |
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oprn wrote: |
I don't know if you in the USA have a 4H calf program for country kids. We do here in Canada and to summarize quickly it involves taking a weaned calf, the kid halter breaks it, feeds it, keeps financial records, feed records etc. at the end there is a weigh in, show and ultimately a sale and a grand champion is chosen based on the judging and sale price.
Sound good?
Sure does! But..
We quickly found out it was corrupt to the core! Has been for years! Just a show case for Daddy's herd bloodlines. Kids leading some big stear into the ring that they were terrified of. Ya right you fed and trained that calf!!
One kid told me his was so big because he locked it up in the barn with 3 milk cows for 6 months and lead good because he tied it's head up to the rafters the night before the sale so it's neck would be too sore to do anything but obey! Totally against the rules!
Then came the sale! Kids with beautiful looking calves struggling to get 85 cents a pound while the kids with big gun Dads were netting $1.45 a pound no matter what the beast looked like. Fertalizer, machinery, mineral supplement dealers scrambling over each other to try and get Dad's buisness.
When I brought up my concerns at the next meeting it was all nod, nod, wink, wink, giggle, giggle. Then I suggested a simple solution to level the playing field and was told in no uncertain terms that they were happy with things as is and invited us to leave.
And we did! What a way to raise your kids! |
Don't worry, AOC has a plan for those farting bovine that help destroy the environment. |
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