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rodjr Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: Is it possible to adapt a sync link to my frd’s? |
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The Webers we are talking about are Alfa Remeo carbs, they are not just standard Italian webers, they are a different animal.
There are people here who know far more about them than i ever will, maybe they will chime in at some point.
All i know is (with some outside help on the set up) my Weber 36 idf 44/45, off of an Alfa Remeo....friggin rock!
And they work great with the sinc link. |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12714 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Is it possible to adapt a sync link to my frd’s? |
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My Italian carbs came with complete and working chokes too and if you are lucky enough to get that bonus and live in a cool climate keep them. They work really well! |
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APPLEGREENVW Samba Member
Joined: November 30, 2003 Posts: 2387 Location: Seekonk,Massachusetts USA
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12714 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Is it possible to adapt a sync link to my frd’s? |
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Alstrup wrote: |
If Kads have an erratic idle it is. 4 out of 5 times because of not enough static compression and too much cam duration which make the carbs engine very sensetive along with sgl throat carbs. |
Stock 1600 DP with stock cam. The cylinder with the lowest compression was the right rear which did not misfire. The 2 front cylinders will not stay lit at idle until the engine is fully warmed up and even then cut in and out anywhere below 900 rpm. That is after many hours of tuning a syncing the carbs. Rear cylinders always fire. I understand that is normal behavior for dual single throat carbs.
I recall the same issue with the stock type 3 Solex carbs but it was not as bad due I believe to them being smaller carbs. |
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67 Sunroof Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2014 Posts: 1836 Location: Salisbury, MD
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:32 am Post subject: Re: Is it possible to adapt a sync link to my frd’s? |
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So I went with the Dellorto DRLA 40’s
Been reading ALOT and came up with the following for a 1776, 110 cam,
32 vents
55-57 idle
130 main
180 air
THEN I start reading about peeps running the DRLA 36’s and I’m “starting” to second guess myself.
Were the 40’s the better choice?
I had read the 40’s had a few advancements over the 36’s and decided on the 40’s from alpa1750. |
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motofly196 Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2008 Posts: 1467 Location: Eastern WA
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:01 am Post subject: Re: Is it possible to adapt a sync link to my frd’s? |
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Your engine will like the 40's. My 1776 also has an Engle 110, and 40 IDFs. It is a remarkable difference in power and idling from the FRD carbs I previously had. |
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67 Sunroof Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2014 Posts: 1836 Location: Salisbury, MD
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: Is it possible to adapt a sync link to my frd’s? |
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Yeahhhhh!
What jets did you run?
Do you remember? |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9760 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: Is it possible to adapt a sync link to my frd’s? |
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DRLA and IDF carb sizes are not the same.
36 DRLA = 40 IDF.
40 DRLA = 44 IDF.
45 DRLA = 48 IDF.
The Dellorto jets are sized differently than IDF jets too. I don't have the chart available. I measure my jets before installation to make sure what I'm tuning with.
The one very good difference between Dellorto and IDF carbs is.
The Dellorto jets are accessible from the top of the carb. The IDF's have the idle jets on the side of the carb.
To change IDF idle jets. You have to remove the carb to access the jets. Unless you have installed "Weber Windows" in your engine compartment. Or drilled a hole in the inner fender well like Glenn did on his car.
Dellorto carbs IMO, are a far better engineered carb. Compared to the IDF carbs. I like all of the o-rings on the mixture screws and pump jets.
For your 1776. You may be a bit over carbed. But it can be worked out.
Someone will chime in on getting the carbs right for your engine.
I'm not that guy. I have soooo... many dual carb sets. That I can choose whatever carb I desire for the engine I'm installing the carbs on. Then tune from there.
Good Luck.
motofly196 wrote: |
Your engine will like the 40's. My 1776 also has an Engle 110, and 40 IDFs. It is a remarkable difference in power and idling from the FRD carbs I previously had. |
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rodjr Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2015 Posts: 223 Location: stanwood washington
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: Is it possible to adapt a sync link to my frd’s? |
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Some idf's (including the ones on my car) have the idle jets in the top.
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9760 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Is it possible to adapt a sync link to my frd’s? |
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So are those 36 IDF?
Then yes. They may indeed have the idle jets on top. I have never seen a set of 36 IDF's. But of all the IDF carbs I listed above(that I own). None have the idle jet through the top.
rodjr wrote: |
Some idf's (including the ones on my car) have the idle jets in the top.
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rodjr Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: Is it possible to adapt a sync link to my frd’s? |
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Yes, 36 idf's in the pic. There are also 40's configured the same way. |
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26785 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: Is it possible to adapt a sync link to my frd’s? |
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APPLEGREENVW wrote: |
rodjr wrote: |
If those are from alfa1750, I would personally not do it. All the ones i have seen him do, he modifies them backwards to mimic spanish 40's. To me, that is completely missing the whole idea. |
What can be done to the spanish 40's IDF, so that they can perform like their Italian cousins? |
Good question.
I lack motivation to research that, because the better carbs cost less.
The trick is you have to look, they aren't screaming at you from a magazine add or a online retailer.
If you really want them, and look hard, you will find them, usually for 400 or less. At one time I was worried that word would get out, and they would become rare and expensive, but... I was wrong. Thanks to empi re-producing webers and dells these web-ortos may fly under the radar forever, only sought after by a small number of American and German Vw enthusiasts, actually.... I sent one set to Canada and one to the Philipines too, but.....still a fairly small club (There is a DCOE version too BTW, nobody can figure those out either!) |
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26785 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: Is it possible to adapt a sync link to my frd’s? |
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40DRLA should be a fine choice.
There are two different sizes of transfer ports. The holes are different sizes. Take off a cover and check the top two holes. I'd go with
32 vents with 1.8mm BIg transfer ports
Or 30 vents if they are 1.4mm, smaller transfer ports
More info here
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...;start=260 |
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67 Sunroof Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2014 Posts: 1836 Location: Salisbury, MD
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: Is it possible to adapt a sync link to my frd’s? |
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Wish I would’ve known about your super secret carbs sooner...
I just dropped $700 on these.😡 |
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APPLEGREENVW Samba Member
Joined: November 30, 2003 Posts: 2387 Location: Seekonk,Massachusetts USA
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: Is it possible to adapt a sync link to my frd’s? |
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67 Sunroof wrote: |
Wish I would’ve known about your super secret carbs sooner...
I just dropped $700 on these.😡 |
I did the same thing about a year ago. I didn't research enough about Webers IDF's. _________________ Parts for sale https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php?username=APPLEGREENVW
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67 Sunroof Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: Is it possible to adapt a sync link to my frd’s? |
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There are a few members that I really look up to and modok is one of them. The guy knows his shit.
When I see his avatar I always wanna read what he has to say. |
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Kafer_Mike Samba Member
Joined: June 23, 2004 Posts: 348 Location: Noblesville, IN
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Is it possible to adapt a sync link to my frd’s? |
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67rustavenger wrote: |
To change IDF idle jets. You have to remove the carb to access the jets. Unless you have installed "Weber Windows" in your engine compartment. Or drilled a hole in the inner fender well like Glenn did on his car] |
Neither is necessary. Simply buy some broached idle jet holders from Jaycee, then you can remove/replace them with an allen wrench. Done it many times on my '69 Beetle with 2332 and 44IDFs in an uncut engine compartment --https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1095914
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67rustavenger Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: Is it possible to adapt a sync link to my frd’s? |
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Well I'll be damned. Never seen those idle jet holders before. Thanks for posting this solution.
That being said.
I still think Dellorto DRLA carbs are better engineered and have more finite tune capabilities than any IDF carb.
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Neither is necessary. Simply buy some broached idle jet holders from Jaycee, then you can remove/replace them with an allen wrench. Done it many times on my '69 Beetle with 2332 and 44IDFs in an uncut engine compartment --[/img]https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1095914[url]
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