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skills@eurocarsplus
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Location: sticksville, ct.
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 Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: What is wrong with society? |
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| crofty wrote: |
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baby steps...
1st thing is WANTING a better situation. sure.. adult ed isn't on par with a university...but can open doors. the desire comes from within...
don't wait for your ship to come in row out and meet it I think was said by coach "bear" Bryant.
you can't help those who don't ask....
plus there are too many hand outs....and not enough hand up's. why better yourself if your way is paid? I'm all for helping when people are down and out, I am not for people living that lifestyle while I kill myself to pay for it |
I'm sure all those folks out there without money and the opportunity to learn a skill set to pull themselves from where they are don't WANT that. People love to be poor and miserable. It helps with the stereotype that low income people are lazy and useless.
" Why better yourself if your way is paid?" Seriously? Should we stop giving scholarships? What if College was free, like K-12? Id rather spend tax money on that than soy bean subsides. give people a skill set , they get a job and they pay taxes so your share of would be less. Right?
You're not "all for helping people." You "cant help those who don't ask" and then say you're all for helping people who are down and follow that with you're not "for people living that lifestyle". I have no idea what that means There are abusers of every system but to make a blanket statement that people in that situation aren't asking just shows you aren't listening. |
HA! free K-12? what planet do you live on? our property tax just went up 2k/year for a school...a school for <100 kids PER YEAR graduating...not due to anything else but a small town...no one lives here. I would have been ok w/ sending the kids to a bigger school with better opportunities than stickville high has to offer...
have no idea what what means? I'm cool with welfare when people fall and need a hand. not cool with those who CAN work...but don't. because why bother if someone is going to pay for "that" lifestyle.
don't put words in my mouth.
rereading what I wrote, I can see the possible confusion. it's worse the way you wrote it. what I was trying to say is I would rather pay for people to be trained/educated to better themselves than suck off a living when they CAN work and take from those who really and truly can't...like the disabled or elderly. you know the old teach a man to fish adage....
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kpf
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Location: California, US
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| Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: What is wrong with society? |
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| ...Not having the opportunity for a good education perpetuates the cycle... no one wants to teach in your yard does that mean you have no motivation? |
If you can't learn on your own, then you won't learn in a classroom either.
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shortride
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:34 am Post subject: Re: What is wrong with society? |
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Deterioration of people’s attitudes, as shown by many who are “unthankful, disloyal, . . . not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride.” 2 Timothy 3:1-4.
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TDCTDI
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Joined: August 31, 2013
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Location: North Carolina
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:18 am Post subject: Re: What is wrong with society? |
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Meanwhile, last night in the capital city of NC...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs17.com/amp/new...1884366882
Nothing to see here, just a training exercise. 
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420GOAT
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Location: Wilmington, CA on a nice quiet street but still in the 'hood
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:23 am Post subject: Re: What is wrong with society? |
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| kpf wrote: |
| crofty wrote: |
| ...Not having the opportunity for a good education perpetuates the cycle... no one wants to teach in your yard does that mean you have no motivation? |
If you can't learn on your own, then you won't learn in a classroom either. |
sorta kinda true, i worked in a classroom for 5 years with k-5 kids. usually the outside forces at home or otherwise really hindered their attention and learning ability. many just needed to be assured someone gave a sh**t. then they were actually ok years later at graduation to middle school. but that kind of nurturing needs to be given at all levels because so many surely dont get it at home.
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kpf
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:35 am Post subject: Re: What is wrong with society? |
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| 420GOAT wrote: |
| kpf wrote: |
| crofty wrote: |
| ...Not having the opportunity for a good education perpetuates the cycle... no one wants to teach in your yard does that mean you have no motivation? |
If you can't learn on your own, then you won't learn in a classroom either. |
sorta kinda true, i worked in a classroom for 5 years with k-5 kids. usually the outside forces at home or otherwise really hindered their attention and learning ability. many just needed to be assured someone gave a sh**t. then they were actually ok years later at graduation to middle school. but that kind of nurturing needs to be given at all levels because so many surely dont get it at home. |
Crofty was talking about higher education. I agree that children need mentors, ideally both at home and at school. By the end of 12th grade, hand-holding does more harm than good.
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420GOAT
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:55 am Post subject: Re: What is wrong with society? |
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| kpf wrote: |
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| kpf wrote: |
| crofty wrote: |
| ...Not having the opportunity for a good education perpetuates the cycle... no one wants to teach in your yard does that mean you have no motivation? |
If you can't learn on your own, then you won't learn in a classroom either. |
sorta kinda true, i worked in a classroom for 5 years with k-5 kids. usually the outside forces at home or otherwise really hindered their attention and learning ability. many just needed to be assured someone gave a sh**t. then they were actually ok years later at graduation to middle school. but that kind of nurturing needs to be given at all levels because so many surely dont get it at home. |
Crofty was talking about higher education. I agree that children need mentors, ideally both at home and at school. By the end of 12th grade, hand-holding does more harm than good. |
i agree adults need help, but the if the focus were earlier, it would be easier. the kids i knew were getting into stuff by the 5th grade, so criminal histories start early on.
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nsracing
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| Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:15 am Post subject: Re: What is wrong with society? |
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In this country - opportunities are everywhere. All one needs to do is go do it. But some people think they are owed something so they wait for others to be 'given what they are owed.'
Well..for one I don't owe anyone anything. If you don't want to better yourself, then you deserve every bit of misfortune coming your way.
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Zundfolge1432 
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| Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:33 am Post subject: Re: What is wrong with society? |
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| Go ahead and credit John Wayne for saying that^^^^^^^ |
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finster
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| Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:16 am Post subject: Re: What is wrong with society? |
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in the uk the government is looking to make teachers and health service staff responsible for identifying violent trends in youngsters and to report it. they can even face charges if it is later found that they took no action...! no mention at all of any responsibility of the parent(s) in knowing what their kids are up to and controlling them!
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iamdonquixote
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| Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:38 am Post subject: Re: What is wrong with society? |
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| another click-bait thread.. with the usual nutter responses of guns, guns, blah blah blah. |
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crofty
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Location: Land of Whine and Phonies
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| Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:41 am Post subject: Re: What is wrong with society? |
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| kpf wrote: |
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| crofty wrote: |
| ...Not having the opportunity for a good education perpetuates the cycle... no one wants to teach in your yard does that mean you have no motivation? |
If you can't learn on your own, then you won't learn in a classroom either. |
sorta kinda true, i worked in a classroom for 5 years with k-5 kids. usually the outside forces at home or otherwise really hindered their attention and learning ability. many just needed to be assured someone gave a sh**t. then they were actually ok years later at graduation to middle school. but that kind of nurturing needs to be given at all levels because so many surely dont get it at home. |
Crofty was talking about higher education. I agree that children need mentors, ideally both at home and at school. By the end of 12th grade, hand-holding does more harm than good. |
No, I wasn't. I was talking about poor, inner city or similar school districts that teachers don't want to teach in.
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crofty
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| Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:53 am Post subject: Re: What is wrong with society? |
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HA! free K-12? what planet do you live on? our property tax just went up 2k/year for a school...a school for <100 kids PER YEAR graduating...not due to anything else but a small town...no one lives here. I would have been ok w/ sending the kids to a bigger school with better opportunities than stickville high has to offer...
have no idea what what means? I'm cool with welfare when people fall and need a hand. not cool with those who CAN work...but don't. because why bother if someone is going to pay for "that" lifestyle.
don't put words in my mouth.
rereading what I wrote, I can see the possible confusion. it's worse the way you wrote it. what I was trying to say is I would rather pay for people to be trained/educated to better themselves than suck off a living when they CAN work and take from those who really and truly can't...like the disabled or elderly. you know the old teach a man to fish adage.... |
Living on welfare is hardly a "living". I'm not denying there is fraud in the system, there is in every system. If there are people who are on the dole but are capable of a job they should get one. And like you said, we should educated them to get a BETTER one. Having more educated people around isn't a bad thing, unless you are a politician I suppose. so why not do that BEFORE we get into a situation where we have a workforce that is capable of moving around to different sectors of the workforce without needing public assistance?!
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Splitdog
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| Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:53 am Post subject: Re: What is wrong with society? |
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Why don't they want to teach there? 
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crofty
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| Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:10 am Post subject: Re: What is wrong with society? |
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| Why don't they want to teach there? |
Google it.
Low income districts get less money, language barriers, lower ratio of experienced teachers, difficult students, etc.
https://www2.ed.gov/offices/OUS/PES/studies-school-violence/school-crime-pattern.pdf
''The analysis shows that violence is clustered within a relatively small percentage of locations, with about 60 percent of the violence occurring in 4 percent of the schools. This is about four times higher than would be expected based on national rates of crime."
Unfortunately, most of the serious crime in schools is caused by mentally unstable white men...
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420GOAT
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| Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:12 am Post subject: Re: What is wrong with society? |
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the question is whats wrong? i think we get many many glimpses of negativity because its so easy to access each other now. these used to be the crazy stories wed hear about but never saw. do you remember those? so lets lay it out. i think the connection with each other is lost because thats how those that engineer society want it. empathy is lost and looking out for # 1 is #1. i am surprised by those that are closer to the end of their lives whom exhibit a clinging nature and wont let go. yes the world is changing. but i sense an awakening slowly but surely coming.
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:37 am Post subject: Re: What is wrong with society? |
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Unfortunately, most of the serious crime in schools is caused by mentally unstable white men... |
Where in your example does it say this? The analysis that you presented seems to go out of it's way to not directly compare the white offenders vs the "disadvantaged" offenders.
I have been in lots of schools, in big cities & small towns, & depending on where they were, the student population had HUGE differences in it's diversity. Where were the schools that were in this analysis?
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Splitdog
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| Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:56 am Post subject: Re: What is wrong with society? |
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One question that has been bothering me: Where are all the upscale black neighborhoods? Have the whites oppressed these people to the point where they'll never be able to achieve the American dream?
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crofty
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| Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:58 am Post subject: Re: What is wrong with society? |
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Unfortunately, most of the serious crime in schools is caused by mentally unstable white men... |
Where in your example does it say this? The analysis that you presented seems to go out of it's way to not directly compare the white offenders vs the "disadvantaged" offenders.
I have been in lots of schools, in big cities & small towns, & depending on where they were, the student population had HUGE differences in it's diversity. Where were the schools that were in this analysis? |
Not always by students but violence in schools by gunman.
Newton, Santa Monica, Columbine, Parkland, etc.
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Splitdog
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| Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:59 am Post subject: Re: What is wrong with society? |
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Which has nothing to do with education. <eye roll>
There are good and bad in every race. I know this about white people; we have created the longest lasting free society that is welcoming all peoples of the planet. Another interesting question; I would like to see all the worlds inventions broken down by race. Would there be a pattern?
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