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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:57 pm    Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club Reply with quote

Johannes, sorry I haven't been following... what's the build date on your car? It must be very early because I don't see how that rear duct could have worked in a Variant with the hinged seat bottom.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:34 am    Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club Reply with quote

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Johannes, sorry I haven't been following... what's the build date on your car? It must be very early because I don't see how that rear duct could have worked in a Variant with the hinged seat bottom.


The car is build on 16th Oct. 1961.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:14 am    Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:56 pm    Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club Reply with quote

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I don't see how that rear duct could have worked in a Variant with the hinged seat bottom.

The seat frame is slightly different on an early Variant seat
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:47 pm    Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club Reply with quote

A couple pics user Agave58 found recently, An unauthorized "dealer" in Oakland, CA bringing in 1500s to sell in the USA.
Volksworld USA, wonder if they got shut down by VW for doing this:
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:54 pm    Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:07 pm    Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club Reply with quote

Volkstown Wink

I met an old duffer Charlie Hassel. He sold me my first side draft set up. He took it off of his 63 Notch he had switched to dual solex. This guy would import "used" T3's from Germany. Had a deal going with some VW dealer in Encinitas CA. He professed to bringing in no less than 9 T3s - Including T34's. Apparently it was lucrative back then and did come with penalties if caught from VW. His 63 had been in an accident, denting the door and was sold on to a dealer in Germany to which sold it on to him as "used" with like 5k on the odometer.

Also Dave Love has a 62 notch. One of several that was brought in by a dealer in San Diego, Mission Bay area as well. Im sure under similar circumstances or at a minimum what this Volkstown did.

Very cool documentation to see this. Puts an anchor on so many old VW dudes stories Ive heard over the years.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:39 pm    Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club Reply with quote

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Volkstown Wink

I met an old duffer Charlie Hassel. He sold me my first side draft set up. He took it off of his 63 Notch he had switched to dual solex. This guy would import "used" T3's from Germany. Had a deal going with some VW dealer in Encinitas CA. He professed to bringing in no less than 9 T3s - Including T34's. Apparently it was lucrative back then and did come with penalties if caught from VW. His 63 had been in an accident, denting the door and was sold on to a dealer in Germany to which sold it on to him as "used" with like 5k on the odometer.

Also Dave Love has a 62 notch. One of several that was brought in by a dealer in San Diego, Mission Bay area as well. Im sure under similar circumstances or at a minimum what this Volkstown did.

Very cool documentation to see this. Puts an anchor on so many old VW dudes stories Ive heard over the years.


I've heard that you actually could order Type 3s and 34s through the dealer, but it was sort of like ordering "animal style" from In N Out... and dealers were only allotted so many. I've heard this from multiple random unrelated sources through the years, including Knute Qvale, who should have known.

"Our" 1966 T34 "Cabrio" was brought in through a dealer in Salem, if memory serves. I have a bunch of paperwork in a file in one of my old filing cabinets someplace.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:25 am    Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club Reply with quote

There's a good Car and Driver article from 1964 on the VW 1500 gray market:
http://vwplusvw1500.blogspot.com/2009/10/car-and-driver-on-vw-1500-gray-market.html

The gist of the article is that on the record VW was against US dealers selling VW 1500s, but unofficially they tolerated and even encouraged gray market sales through dealerships. The most profitable part of the dealers' business was service and parts, and more VW sales were good for everyone. Nudge nudge, wink wink.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:31 pm    Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club Reply with quote

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There's a good Car and Driver article from 1964 on the VW 1500 gray market:
http://vwplusvw1500.blogspot.com/2009/10/car-and-driver-on-vw-1500-gray-market.html

The gist of the article is that on the record VW was against US dealers selling VW 1500s, but unofficially they tolerated and even encouraged gray market sales through dealerships. The most profitable part of the dealers' business was service and parts, and more VW sales were good for everyone. Nudge nudge, wink wink.


That didn't "just" go on with VW, either. Mercedes was notorious for it. A good example of this was in the early to mid 80s when the USA market was stuck with the 380SL as the only SL offered in USA. It was known as the "Edsel SL". The 3,8 V-8 was prone to problems (single row L-O-N-G timing chain on a V-8, for one d'oh! ) and it was an emission control choked pig that gave disappointing MPG too. In Europe you could get the 6 cyl OHC 280 (which could pass the 380 like the 380 was standing still) or the V-8 500. 500SLs are everywhere. Wonder why. Laughing

This is also why there are so many YOM issues on titles, too. We've all seen the '63s that are '64s. The dealers used to take advantage of the fact that the DMVs really didn't understand German model years and secretly declare the cars as last year's model to save trade deficit alarm bells and duty.

Back before things were computerized at the DMV, a lot of mistakes were made on titles. Some were system wide flubs.

A good customer of mine who passed away last year bought a VW Panel in 1957. supposedly it was the first one in Lane County. When the estate went to sell it, there was a huge problem... with the original 1957 title! The number didn't match... I mean, not one single digit on the title matched any digit on the Bus.

His daughter emailed me a copy of the title and I looked at the "VIN" and soon found out it was a September 1956 36 HP engine number. Yup, either the dealer or DMV goofball opened the engine lid and used the first number he saw. I had to go to the DMV with the executor and explain what likely happened, using the good ol' Samba to illustrate. I was at least able to talk them into letting the daughter keep the original title as provenance of ownership. Thankfully the DMV folks know me and sometimes call me for difficulties with these old errors.

Sixty years of registration and license plate renewals on an engine number. Laughing

The best part was I told the daughter to check through her dad's parts stash and look for a case with the number on the title because I bet he hung onto it when he replaced it even if it was worn out. Guess what? Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:29 am    Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club Reply with quote

Hi folks,

Can anyone please tell me the difference between these rear wheel cylinders.....

311-611-067B - 22.2 chassis 76 300 to 221 974
361-611-069B - 25.4 chassis numbers as above
361-611-067 - 23.8 chassis 221 975 to 483 592

Apart from the obvious bore differences is there anything else? Could any of these be used on any of the early chassis?

My car is listed as needing 361-611-067 but I'm having trouble finding a NOS pair Ate. Thanks for your input
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:13 am    Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club Reply with quote

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Hi folks,

Can anyone please tell me the difference between these rear wheel cylinders.....

311-611-067B - 22.2 chassis 76 300 to 221 974
361-611-069B - 25.4 chassis numbers as above
361-611-067 - 23.8 chassis 221 975 to 483 592

Apart from the obvious bore differences is there anything else? Could any of these be used on any of the early chassis?

My car is listed as needing 361-611-067 but I'm having trouble finding a NOS pair Ate. Thanks for your input



With out looking at my PN book - the 25.4 is for a Squareback, the other two are early, late notch and T34. This all being pre 65.

They were playing with brake shoe sizes early on with the wide five stuff. Regardless - the rear wheel slave cylinders all fit any year all the way through 73 if I recall? Correct me if wrong. So the idea being that you then just get the biggest volume ones you can - which should be easier to get.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:20 pm    Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club Reply with quote

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Hi folks,

Can anyone please tell me the difference between these rear wheel cylinders.....

311-611-067B - 22.2 chassis 76 300 to 221 974
361-611-069B - 25.4 chassis numbers as above
361-611-067 - 23.8 chassis 221 975 to 483 592

Apart from the obvious bore differences is there anything else? Could any of these be used on any of the early chassis?

My car is listed as needing 361-611-067 but I'm having trouble finding a NOS pair Ate. Thanks for your input



With out looking at my PN book - the 25.4 is for a Squareback, the other two are early, late notch and T34. This all being pre 65.

They were playing with brake shoe sizes early on with the wide five stuff. Regardless - the rear wheel slave cylinders all fit any year all the way through 73 if I recall? Correct me if wrong. So the idea being that you then just get the biggest volume ones you can - which should be easier to get.


22.2 can find anywhere and replace kits too
and will work just Fine and you will be Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:10 pm    Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club Reply with quote

I think you can use 361-611-067A too - it's the same bore size of 23.8mm and for Super Beetle front brakes.
These are readily available, although maybe not NOS.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:18 am    Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club Reply with quote

Fantastic, thank you all for your input! I've managed to score set of 25.4, biggest I could find Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:40 pm    Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:22 pm    Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club Reply with quote

Beautiful! Now you can send it to me as everyone is focused on squarebacks and automatics.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:32 pm    Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club Reply with quote

Damn that’s clean! Look forward to more!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:49 am    Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club Reply with quote

I added the VW 1500 Notchback / Squareback / Variant article from the October, 1961 Cars magazine to the "Misc Magazines" page here:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/misc_magazines.php

I scanned it at 600 dpi so the pages are huge for maximum photo detail

The Squareback has some strange attributes, probably a prototype.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:49 pm    Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club Reply with quote

EverettB wrote:
I added the VW 1500 Notchback / Squareback / Variant article from the October, 1961 Cars magazine to the "Misc Magazines" page here:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/misc_magazines.php

I scanned it at 600 dpi so the pages are huge for maximum photo detail

The Squareback has some strange attributes, probably a prototype.
Close up of those images:
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Interesting pressing on the rear hatch, it also looks like VW used a notch latch for the locking mechanism. Groovy rear seat handle also.
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