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Nick.Martir Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2019 Posts: 1 Location: FLORIDA
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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:31 am Post subject: VW Bus with swapped engine, Whats your input? |
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Whats your view on buying a bus with a swapped engine. ( not a Subaru, but a Ford 2.8 v6) I want to get into my first bus project, nothing too serious though. Just looking for something that runs well and i can take to the beach and maybe camp out of. The bus I'm looking at is a 74 with a ford swap, for $3800. The price is right up my ally and the body looks in decent shape with a safari high top on it.
Just want to see what some VW enthusiast think about having a factory body with a ford engine. Will i be mocked by VW owners? will it even be worth it?
Thanks in advance for anyone who provides input or feedback.
-Nick. |
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15144 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:40 am Post subject: Re: VW Bus with swapped engine, Whats your input? |
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while over the decades many have been done..
and I've been involved in building one at one time.
the old Pushrod V6 didn't like the RPMs of the stock gearing.
they generate alot of power especially with the lower gearing of the stock transaxle.
but they also are fairly inefficient and generate alot of heat..
so unless it's already well sorted out.. I'd be very leary.
might want to take this conversation over to the BAY BUS FORUM for better answers.. and put on your flame suit before entering. _________________
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pyrOman Fire Master
Joined: July 21, 2003 Posts: 12408 Location: Over 2002 posts deleted!
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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:22 am Post subject: Re: VW Bus with swapped engine, Whats your input? |
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Nick.Martir wrote: |
Whats your view ... |
I can build a killer air cooled VW engine for less than half of what it would take to build a bone stock anything else. Also have witnessed a very well “engineered” subbie conversion done in a Bug get totally spanked at the track.
That’s my view! But also my view is that it’s your choice to do whatever the hell you want with your stuff. _________________ Some people are so busy being clever they don't have time enough to be wise. |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12856 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:18 am Post subject: Re: VW Bus with swapped engine, Whats your input? |
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What sort of mechanical ability do you have? You're not likely to find a mechanic willing to deal with a bastardized bus & if you do, you're not likely to get any sort of warranty. A VW mechanic will always blame the Ford components, a Ford mechanic will always blame the VW components, & both of them will blame the person that cobbled it all together. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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static Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2002 Posts: 1831 Location: The High Desert
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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:59 am Post subject: Re: VW Bus with swapped engine, Whats your input? |
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Nick.Martir wrote: |
Whats your view on buying a bus with a swapped engine. ( not a Subaru, but a Ford 2.8 v6) will it even be worth it?
Thanks in advance for anyone who provides input or feedback.
-Nick. |
My view? Run away as fast as you can. |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12730 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: VW Bus with swapped engine, Whats your input? |
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I would start by looking at the outside. If it looks stock it might be worth considering. If it looks like something that was magnetized and collected a lot of random junky bits that stuck then you might be better off starting with something else.
The Ford 2.8 ltr was a German built engine if I recall - I wonder if you can even get bits and pieces for them anymore? |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 12467
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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: VW Bus with swapped engine, Whats your input? |
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Yep ford stuff is pretty hard to locate. |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12730 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: VW Bus with swapped engine, Whats your input? |
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Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
Yep ford stuff is pretty hard to locate. |
Does Ford still support the '70s and early '80s German built stuff? I highly doubt it. We are not talking a 351 Cleveland here...
VW doesn't even support thier '90s and early 2000s cars anymore.
For the OPer, Resale value of that Bus would be considerably lower than if it was stock. Just something to keep in mind. |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16879 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:43 am Post subject: Re: VW Bus with swapped engine, Whats your input? |
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Nick.Martir wrote: |
Will i be mocked by VW owners? will it even be worth it? |
screw what others think. I do a LOT of Subaru conversions to bay windows. they look like they are factory...most swaps look like someone shoveled every bit of garbage from the ground of a junk yard into the engine bay and closed the hood...
having said that...if the body is CLEAN the rest is easy(ish) as rust repair sucks, and costly...if the body is in good shape and you like it...buy it. yoc and do whatever with it after that.
it just depends how bad they butchered the bus for the swap. _________________
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12730 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:08 am Post subject: Re: VW Bus with swapped engine, Whats your input? |
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
it just depends how bad they butchered the bus for the swap. |
Exactly right! |
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: VW Bus with swapped engine, Whats your input? |
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you couldn't give me that thing with a Ford engine in it... the stock type 4 pancake engine was bad enough - the price is very reasonable, i'd say, but save your money.
I think, you'd be better off with a splitty bus that needs everything and slowly put it back on the road, if you are able - save some more cash, if you must.
We have a few busses, for the fun of it, but if you are a serious traveler, get a Ford with a Ford engine in it.
Our serious traveling-machine is a 2002 Ford E-150, purchased in 2005 wit V6, cruise, tilt, automatic with overdrive, wonderful a/c and real heat - it'll cruise at 80 all day long and still get 22 mpg.
Nice thing 'bout our WestFORDia is the VW splitty jalousie windows and VW Westy, Vanagon interior.
Granted - it's not a cool VW bus, but it is super reliable, super comfortable and has a/c to keep you cool
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chazz79 Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2008 Posts: 2268 Location: ohio
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Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: VW Bus with swapped engine, Whats your input? |
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It’s a mixed bag. I had a Ford 2.3 in mine and it caused a few stupid issues when showing. My bus had a non-vw engine and was categorized with dune buggies/altered vehicles. I swapped to a vanagon engine to get those show organizers off my butt. It really wasn’t fair to show my bus in a category and get unearned trophies. _________________ One day as a lion, or a lifetime as lamb
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hitest Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2008 Posts: 10296 Location: Prime Meridian, ID
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: VW Bus with swapped engine, Whats your input? |
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Are you part VW mechanic and part Ford mechanic?
Because no VW shop will help you and a Ford mechanic will charge you for every minute it takes them to LEARN what is what.
Building a car to satisfy show organizers is the first clinically-recognized sign of dementia. _________________
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Helfen Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2009 Posts: 3450 Location: Vulcania
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Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:35 am Post subject: Re: VW Bus with swapped engine, Whats your input? |
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Nick.Martir wrote: |
Whats your view on buying a bus with a swapped engine. ( not a Subaru, but a Ford 2.8 v6) I want to get into my first bus project, nothing too serious though. Just looking for something that runs well and i can take to the beach and maybe camp out of. The bus I'm looking at is a 74 with a ford swap, for $3800. The price is right up my ally and the body looks in decent shape with a safari high top on it.
Just want to see what some VW enthusiast think about having a factory body with a ford engine. Will i be mocked by VW owners? will it even be worth it?
Thanks in advance for anyone who provides input or feedback.
-Nick. |
Just make sure that the engine you put in there has all the emission requirements for that year engine and the year of your car. Selling a car to a person or buying a car that has state emission testing ( Arizona for instance smog test cars back to 1967) can put you in a real bind. |
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Sharp64 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 5304 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:06 am Post subject: Re: VW Bus with swapped engine, Whats your input? |
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I think I know the baywindow that you’re looking at. It’s been for sale for a long time. At least a year or more. From my understanding the people that that owned it built it for their disabled son and wanted more “power and reliability” than they felt the VW engine would afford them. I don’t have an opinion on the price other than I would imagine they are very negotiable considering the length of time it’s been for sale.
To anyone concerned about emissions, Florida did away with vehicle inspections in the late 70’s/early 80’s. No one here cares. They don’t even inspect them upon purchase unless they come from out of state and even then it’s just to verify the title matches the pan. They don’t even check the body vin. Very lax here. _________________ 1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
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