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73buggy Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:36 pm Post subject: Spark Plugs part number for Mexican Beetle 2003 |
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Hello:
I need to find the actual part number spark plug to replace the plugs on a Mexican Beetle 2003. I found that the spark plugs NKG BP5ES-A can be used. But this spark plugs is kind of difficult to find. Please, let me know what is the cross part number of the NKG BP5ES-A that I can use safe on my Mexican beetle 2003. Thanks |
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GArBa Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2014 Posts: 2105 Location: Milano, Italy
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Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: Spark Plugs part number for Mexican Beetle 2003 |
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BP5ES is recommended by NGK in case you can't find BP5ES-A, andit's what I'm running. However, I recently discovered BP5ES-A can be more easily found in motorcycle shops. _________________ cars:
'97 type 1 1600i
'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
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73buggy Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:33 am Post subject: Re: Spark Plugs part number for Mexican Beetle 2003 |
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Thank you for the info.
Do you know what is the different between the BP5ES-A and BP5ES?
Regards |
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GArBa Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2014 Posts: 2105 Location: Milano, Italy
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Spark Plugs part number for Mexican Beetle 2003 |
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the tip is marginally longer on the -A version. _________________ cars:
'97 type 1 1600i
'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
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'82 Benelli Magnum 3v |
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73buggy Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: Spark Plugs part number for Mexican Beetle 2003 |
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GArBa:
Thank You very much for the info.
I going to try to find the Spark plugs on a motorcycle shop.
Regards |
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hopkin Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2012 Posts: 2480 Location: Ottawa, Ontario
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:27 am Post subject: Re: Spark Plugs part number for Mexican Beetle 2003 |
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Here's a breakdown of how NGK part numbers are assigned. I don't see the -A suffix referenced in this spec sheet, I always thought it was a branding suffix.
I still have one pack of BP5ES-A left that are branded as VW:
_________________ 1971 Super Beetle (past)
1971 Super Beetle (past)
1974 SunBug (past)
1972 914 (past)
1991 Honda Civic (Original Owner)
1996 'Open Air' Mexican Beetle (current)
2015 Golf (current)
2017 Dune Edition (daughter's car) |
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73buggy Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:56 am Post subject: Re: Spark Plugs part number for Mexican Beetle 2003 |
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Thanks for the info.
Are these plugs are for sale? |
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hopkin Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2012 Posts: 2480 Location: Ottawa, Ontario
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:58 am Post subject: Re: Spark Plugs part number for Mexican Beetle 2003 |
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No not for sale, contact Antonio Trejo (look for his add on Samba), he has them for sale. _________________ 1971 Super Beetle (past)
1971 Super Beetle (past)
1974 SunBug (past)
1972 914 (past)
1991 Honda Civic (Original Owner)
1996 'Open Air' Mexican Beetle (current)
2015 Golf (current)
2017 Dune Edition (daughter's car) |
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GArBa Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2014 Posts: 2105 Location: Milano, Italy
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:24 pm Post subject: Re: Spark Plugs part number for Mexican Beetle 2003 |
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it seems they are available on ebay in the US. you may have luck ordering them from a auto/bike parts store going by the NGK catalog number which is 2285 for the BP5ES-A _________________ cars:
'97 type 1 1600i
'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
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ashman40 Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2007 Posts: 15985 Location: North Florida, USA
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:19 am Post subject: Re: Spark Plugs part number for Mexican Beetle 2003 |
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Hmmm, I always thought the value to the right of the "-" in the NGK part# represents different pre-gapped ranges for the same physical plug. The same spark plug used in different cars with different electrode gaps.
This should mean you can buy ANY BP5ES spark plug and just re-gap correctly for your engine.
I wonder if that "-A" just represents a special VW-branded boxed set of NGK plugs pre-gapped for Mexi-Beetles. _________________ AshMan40
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'67 Beetle #1 {project car that never made it to the road }
'75 Beetle 1200LS (RHD Japan model) {junked due to frame rot}
'67 Beetle #2 {2019 project car - Wish me luck!} |
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GArBa Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:54 am Post subject: Re: Spark Plugs part number for Mexican Beetle 2003 |
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that was my understanding before I found the BP5ES-A. As soon as I can I'll try to post a pic or a video comparison. the -A definitely has a longer electrode tip. _________________ cars:
'97 type 1 1600i
'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
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ashman40 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:46 am Post subject: Re: Spark Plugs part number for Mexican Beetle 2003 |
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Found this reference in the 2003 Mexi Beetle Owner's manual....
The line "Bujías" is "(Spark) Plug" and shows Champion N 12 YC.
Though, I couldn't find an exact cross reference, I think because of the more granular Champion heat range.
Champion N11YC = NGK BP6ES
Champion N14YC = NGK BP5ES
My point is the BP5ES (or BP6ES) is the actual recommended spark plug from VW and there is no need to chase the -A version.
I suppose you could actually hunt down some Champion plugs... but I never seriously considered running that brand in my ACVW. I like Bosch, NGK and maybe ND.
What ever brand you choose, confirm the gap is correct before installing. I always check even though they typically come gapped correctly (at least NGK did). _________________ AshMan40
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'67 Beetle #1 {project car that never made it to the road }
'75 Beetle 1200LS (RHD Japan model) {junked due to frame rot}
'67 Beetle #2 {2019 project car - Wish me luck!} |
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hopkin Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2012 Posts: 2480 Location: Ottawa, Ontario
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Spark Plugs part number for Mexican Beetle 2003 |
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I've changed the plugs twice in my car, the first time I used BP5ES that I was able to buy at a local auto parts store. I think I paid around $12 (Canadian) for 4 plugs.
The second time I used a set of BP5ES-A that I bought from Antonio (can't remember what I paid), I have not noticed any difference with performance between them.
The next time I swap out the plugs, I probably just pick up a set of BP5ES locally.
I do have the extra set of BP5ES-A's, I'll keep them for spares. _________________ 1971 Super Beetle (past)
1971 Super Beetle (past)
1974 SunBug (past)
1972 914 (past)
1991 Honda Civic (Original Owner)
1996 'Open Air' Mexican Beetle (current)
2015 Golf (current)
2017 Dune Edition (daughter's car) |
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GArBa Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:38 am Post subject: Re: Spark Plugs part number for Mexican Beetle 2003 |
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as promised... hope the difference is noticeable (and also the reason why the -A and non-A works the same understandable)
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_________________ cars:
'97 type 1 1600i
'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
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Antonio Trejo VW Parts Dealer
Joined: December 17, 2003 Posts: 937 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:55 am Post subject: Re: Spark Plugs part number for Mexican Beetle 2003 |
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NGK BP6ES for carburetor Sedan 1600 (1974-1992).
NGK BP5ES-A for fuel injected Sedan 1600i (1993-2004 domed pistons, hydraulic lifters, digifant system). _________________ Parts VW
"From Volkswagen of Mexico factory..."
Genuine VW Sedan parts
Genuine VW Ultima Edition parts
Genuine VW Type 2 watercooled parts
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Antonio Trejo VW Parts Dealer
Joined: December 17, 2003 Posts: 937 Location: Mexico City
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73buggy Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Spark Plugs part number for Mexican Beetle 2003 |
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Mr. GArBA:
Thank You very much for the informative video.
You video is outstanding.and well explained the concept of the differences between the 2 spark plugs.
WELL DONE |
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73buggy Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: Spark Plugs part number for Mexican Beetle 2003 |
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Antonio:
Do you have the spark plugs in stock?
If so how much with the shipping to NY.
Regards |
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Cypcode Samba Member
Joined: October 22, 2019 Posts: 22 Location: CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: Spark Plugs part number for Mexican Beetle 2003 |
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I’m having a difficult time finding the spark plug cables for the 1600i Mexican beetles. They use a Hall Effect Distributer where the top hat has a different style plug and the spark plug end grabs onto the threads of the plug. Anyone know the part number or where I can get them?? |
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GArBa Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:47 am Post subject: Re: Spark Plugs part number for Mexican Beetle 2003 |
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the 1600i parts catalog does not list the cable set but the single components;
However I bought a Bosch set from CSP of Germany, they list it as 998 031 ACD but I think it's their own stock number as I cannot find it in any other reference; in any case the bosch P/N is 0986MGO105. I also have a Beru set from Antonio, but I do not have a part number for that. _________________ cars:
'97 type 1 1600i
'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
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