Sunroof Gear Assembly. Long or short shaft?

[padgett]

hey guys 73 squareback.

Would I need the short or long shaft assembly? I'm hoping long, because the one I have seems to sit in the recess of the center guide a bit low.

https://www.jbugs.com/product/117877403A.html?rrec=true
https://www.jbugs.com/product/117877403.html?rrec=true

[Bobnotch]

If I had to make a guess, I'd say long. I suppose you could check against ISP's site, to see what numbers they use. I know my 65 uses the long style.
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[padgett]

hey again bob

From what I can tell, the real difference is in the spline that the crank handle attaches to. The 'short' one is shorter. But comparing the two it does look like the gear side is taller. I'll take a pic tonight when i get home of how it looks, but it definitely looks like the gear should be higher up in the center guide.

Wouldn't surprise me as I'm finding a lot of parts on my car aren't type 3 but from busses. Previous owner had 3 of em, so it would make sense he slapped on what he had around just to sell it.

[padgett]

pics. Note how low the gear sits in the center guide. Granted this is the ISPWest repro, but still. I would think the gear would sit up higher than that.

is this expected?

[padgett]

something i thought about. Is this winding gear supposed to sit this far down into the cabin? how its pictured is how it sits with the retaining bolts tightened up. Other pics i've seen have the winding gear assembly almost flush with the headliner. Is this correct?

[Bobnotch]

[padgett]

I snapped a pic of the underside yesterday as well. You can see the dirty outline of where the winding assembly I have sits. And the sunroof 'frame'. I really dont see anywhere for this assembly to fit into.

Its possible I have an assembly from another car, but through some reaserch it seems like the winding gear is pretty much the same across bugs/type 3's of that era. Biggest difference being the long and short shaft that I posted in my 1st reply.

Could be from a bus? But i'll look further. Its great to have confirmation that something strange is going on.

Thanks bob.

[ALLWAGONS]

It looks like when you replaced your headliner, you forgot to replace the sunroof roof foam. It is a preformed piece that sits opposite the plastic covers. It give the gear a little niche to fit into the headliner.

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[padgett]

[ALLWAGONS]

I didn't see what your winding gears look like but here are pics of a bug VS type 3 for comparison.

Type 3 on bottom
Type 1 on top 2

Type 3 on right
Type 1 on left

Type 1

Type 3
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[padgett]

Thanks for posting, its given me a lot to chew on.

I'll take a look at my gear's part number and see.

But eyeballing through those pics, doesn't seem like theres a huge difference in the winding gears except for the crank spline being long or short.

I don't think my issue is with the winding gear...i might not even have an issue. Just looks odd that the gear is so far recessed in the center guide.

[ALLWAGONS]

If you look at the sunroof FAQ there are more than one sunroof setups. Top and bottoms. I own set #1 of ISP’s aluminium pieces but it sits in my showcase. I don’t know what base they used as a template.
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[padgett]

just checked my part number

its 117877403

Based on what you posted, its from a bug. I did see some winding assemblies on the T3 classifieds with my part number though, so I'm going to surrender myself to the experts to answer that one. It'd make sense some part numbers would be shared.

[Bobnotch]

[padgett]

[ALLWAGONS]

You are 100% right, 117 877 403 (beetle part) was used on all type 3 after chassis # 318 000 001. In other words . >'68.
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