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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:04 pm    Post subject: Provent 200 Reply with quote

I have recently installed this onto my AAZ. I am amazed at how much oil the Provent diverts From going back to the intake.

After about 600 km/400 miles, I have about 4Ē of oil collected in 1/2Ē PVC tube. This is maybe 30-50 mL.

No wonder I was constanly dripping oil from my silicone intake ducting.

So now the question, is there something wrong with my PVC valve? Why am I getting so much oil in my blow by? Or is this normal? My PVC is sitting horizontal the way it was intended, as opposed to slanted over with the 50* tilt.

Thoughts?

But this thing really works!

I have now used the Provent check valve and have it draining into the block, so as not to lose oil.



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Provent 200 Reply with quote

Interesting product.

Where did you buy it and how is it plumbed in?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Provent 200 Reply with quote

This is where I got mine
https://www.idparts.com/mann-provent-200-p-2334.html

Itís a catch can with a filter in it. Gases leaving PCV go into it. Then come out and go back to intake.
Drain out the bottom of separated oil. Drain it off, or let it drain back into engine.

There were a few samba threads on the Provent years ago.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Provent 200 Reply with quote

Google provent and there are lots of resellers.

My tdi swap came with an open to atmosphere catch can. It was a POS. It leaked. My turbo leaked.

I plumbed in a provent and so far the turbo hasnít dripped in 600 miles. The provent is dry and hadnít accumulated anything the first couple hundred miles. Iíll look this weekend.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Provent 200 Reply with quote

I have a similar unit lifted from an ancient MB diesel--left side of the bay. I think it's made by Mann. It drains back into the crankcase where the original turbo drain entered--my turbo drains into the oilpan.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Provent 200 Reply with quote

Plumb the CCV filter drain into the pan. Below oil level, no check valve needed. Above oil level, add one for sure, ask me what happens if you don't. Shocked
There is no 'PCV'. The vent atop the valve cover is free flowing both ways. Yes, it may have some blowby. Pull the hose from the vent on the valve cover when running and see how much smoke comes out. Should be barely any.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 6:54 am    Post subject: Re: Provent 200 Reply with quote

So ...

From the top of the valve cover vent into the prevent and the old line from the valve cover vent to the air input is no longer required?

What is the easiest way to return the oil back into the engine? - I am not keen on drilling a hole. Could I route it into the unused dip stick on top of the engine (I have an AAZ)

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 7:22 am    Post subject: Re: Provent 200 Reply with quote

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What is the easiest way to return the oil back into the engine? - I am not keen on drilling a hole.


My provent drain line is tee'd into the oil fill port in the bottom of the pan, rear-of-vehicle facing corner. Maybe the dipstick hole could be made to work, depending on where your filter is mounted? I'd avoid any uphill routing in the drain plumbing though.

I have a check valve in my drain even though it comes in below the oil line of the pan. I know some say it is not necessary but I'd do it.

Also I'd be sure to mount the filter as high in the engine compartment as you are able. Too low, and oil can back flow up the drain line. (again, check valve!)

Great little unit just be mindful of your plumbing. Probably also smart to check the filter element frequently during your first few drives to monitor what's going on in there.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 9:24 am    Post subject: Re: Provent 200 Reply with quote

Mike Robinson wrote:
So ...

From the top of the valve cover vent into the prevent and the old line from the valve cover vent to the air input is no longer required?

What is the easiest way to return the oil back into the engine? - I am not keen on drilling a hole. Could I route it into the unused dip stick on top of the engine (I have an AAZ)

Thanks

Mike



Does your turbo drain into the oil pan?

If so, you can use the old bung in the side of th block for the Provent to drain in to.

As far as plumbing, hose from PCV / puck on valve cover, to inlet of Provent. Then outlet of Provent back to intake. So youíre just adding the unit inline between the puck and the intake.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 10:01 am    Post subject: Re: Provent 200 Reply with quote

Drain can go to the bottom of the pan if you have a stock TD pan with that connection at the bottom. Or, tee into the turbo drain where it attaches at the side of the block. You MUST have a one-way check valve if the drain is above oil level, as it will suck and run away on crankcase oil. Not a fun scenario at all. Mann didn't include any documentation as to this important step when I installed mine years ago, resulting in my perfect 20K mile TDI running away and melting the pistons.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 10:29 am    Post subject: Re: Provent 200 Reply with quote

Karl, I assume that runaway scenario was on a 50 degree install. Is the working theory that crankcase pressure inhibits the oil from draining properly, and it backs up in the catch can enough to get sucked back into the intake tract? Any hints as to where to locate a proper check valve?
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 12:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Provent 200 Reply with quote

Zeitgeist 13 wrote:
Any hints as to where to locate a proper check valve?

According to the Mann installation manual:
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The oil return fitting (6) is connected to the non-return valve with a drain line.
The non-return valve is then connected approx. 30 to 50 mm above the maximum oil level of the engine oil sump.
For the ProVent system to function properly, the minimum distance from the non-return valve to the oil return fitting (6) of the ProVent housing must be at least 350 mm (see Fig. 2).
Any angled positions which occur during mobile applications, which lead to a fluctuating oil level, must always be taken into account.
MANN+HUMMEL always recommends the use of a non-return valve for all ProVent installations.


Full manual is available here, mine didnít ship with one.
https://oe-products.mann-hummel.com/fileadmin/user...ent_en.pdf
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 12:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Provent 200 Reply with quote

THis is the Provent check valve.

https://www.idparts.com/mann-provent-check-valve-p-2436.html
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 1:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Provent 200 Reply with quote

That's a pricey little valve. You'd think Mann would include it with the Provent
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 4:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Provent 200 Reply with quote

beach_creature wrote:
So now the question, is there something wrong with my PVC valve?


There isnít a PVC valve, and there isnít even a PCV valve. That hockey puck thingie is simply a cyclone separator that slings oil droplets against the outside to condense them. Trouble is, it doesnít work so well on a slant because the oil puddles at the downhill side instead of draining. It sits there until you punch it or are climbing a long hill and blowby increases such that it suddenly catches that puddle and blasts it out the hose.

An adapter would be a marketable product, it would level off the separator for the Vanagon installation.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Provent 200 Reply with quote

Mine sits upright. Still blows by a lot of oil. Well if it's not a PCV then what's it called? I know everyone reffers to it as a puck because it looks like one. It must have a name.


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 5:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Provent 200 Reply with quote

It has various names. Here VW uses PCV in it's name.


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 6:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Provent 200 Reply with quote

Does the blowby look like a lot? I got an idea putting the dashcam in the engine room and going for an uphill drive.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 6:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Provent 200 Reply with quote

Flex Technologies, one maker of silicone automotive hoses, does not recommend using silicone for oil, gasoline, or diesel fuel:

"... we recommend that you stick with other materials than silicone for any applications that will allow fuel or oil to come into contact with the hose. However, we do offer special fluorocarbon and fluorosilicone liners that offer superior chemical resistance."

https://www.siliconehose.com/blog/oil-fuel-and-silicone-hoses-/

Anyone here been running oil/vapor through silicone hose for an extended period (years)? How has it held up?

I once used conventional EPDM coolant hose for a diesel crankcase vent application, and the rubber was weeping oil within days. I ended up using PCV hose, presumably of a different compound, and it's been holding up for a few years now.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 7:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Provent 200 Reply with quote

Not advised due to the difficulty of securing oily silicone which is already slippery enough.

I have a silicone tube downstream from my turbo, for the first few years it sweated a clear fluid. Really weird. Matter of fact here is a picture:
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