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thom
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 Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:27 am Post subject: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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I've been working on the roof of my '57 23-window, and I got to thinking: why did the factory not add 2 more roof windows over the last two side windows?
That got me to thinking why the 2 rear-most windows are not popouts, but that's probably because of the jailbars - just a theory.
Yes, I know people had added the extra roof windows, the like Foosed-up HotDog Fred bus. No, I am not going to do that on mine.
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:34 am Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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| thom wrote: |
I've been working on the roof of my '57 23-window, and I got to thinking: why did the factory not add 2 more roof windows over the last two side windows?
That got me to thinking why the 2 rear-most windows are not popouts, but that's probably because of the jailbars - just a theory.
Yes, I know people had added the extra roof windows, the like Foosed-up HotDog Fred bus. No, I am not going to do that on mine. |
I think you answered your own question. Because it would look Fooses-up.
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ryans65
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:46 am Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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| Your answer lies in the number 23. |
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thom
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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| ryans65 wrote: |
| Your answer lies in the number 23. |
So it has to be prime?
https://interestingengineering.com/weird-enchanting-facts-number-23
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PeteSC
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 10:04 am Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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| I suppose economics may have played into it; perhaps the VW brass didn't think it added any real enhancement to incur the production expense to have skylights over a cargo area. Along those lines maybe they even thought that some would appreciate NOT having constant sun exposure there if transporting perishables, etc. |
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Busstom
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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| I think the answer lies in the HDF foosed thread, something along the lines of: because there's nobody sitting back there to enjoy the view out the skylight... (I'm paraphrasing, of course). I suppose the same logic applies to the popouts in the rear hatch area. |
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thom
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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| Busstom wrote: |
| because there's nobody sitting back there to enjoy the view out the skylight |
This explanation makes the most sense to me.
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hitest
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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I don't know if I've ever seen a pop out window installed on any VW model that was not immediately next to a seat. They were there for access and ventilation. But a trunk full of Costco fixins and feminine products blocks access to any pop out in the trunk area. Just a hunch.
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:17 am Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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| I don't know if I've ever seen a pop out window installed on any VW model that was not immediately next to a seat. They were there for access and ventilation. But a trunk full of Costco fixins and feminine products blocks access to any pop out in the trunk area. Just a hunch. |
They put popouts in the closet on westfalia campers. Not exactly next to a seat, but necessary for ventilation if you shove one of the kids into the closet for a time-out.
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:25 am Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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How about pop-out skylight windows?
Take that and run with it Foose.
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:48 am Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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| Lind wrote: |
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| I don't know if I've ever seen a pop out window installed on any VW model that was not immediately next to a seat. They were there for access and ventilation. But a trunk full of Costco fixins and feminine products blocks access to any pop out in the trunk area. Just a hunch. |
They put popouts in the closet on westfalia campers. Not exactly next to a seat, but necessary for ventilation if you shove one of the kids into the closet for a time-out. |
Some people have stinky clothes. |
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hitest
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 7:07 am Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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| campingbox wrote: |
| Lind wrote: |
| hitest wrote: |
| I don't know if I've ever seen a pop out window installed on any VW model that was not immediately next to a seat. They were there for access and ventilation. But a trunk full of Costco fixins and feminine products blocks access to any pop out in the trunk area. Just a hunch. |
They put popouts in the closet on westfalia campers. Not exactly next to a seat, but necessary for ventilation if you shove one of the kids into the closet for a time-out. |
Some people have stinky clothes. |
Were the windows there before it went to Westfalia? Just curious, cause me camping clothes be gettin dank.
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thom
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 9:34 am Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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| flemcadiddlehopper wrote: |
How about pop-out skylight windows?
Take that and run with it Foose.
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There was a bus in the whines a few years ago with popout skylights
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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| Lind wrote: |
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| I don't know if I've ever seen a pop out window installed on any VW model that was not immediately next to a seat. They were there for access and ventilation. But a trunk full of Costco fixins and feminine products blocks access to any pop out in the trunk area. Just a hunch. |
They put popouts in the closet on westfalia campers. Not exactly next to a seat, but necessary for ventilation if you shove one of the kids into the closet for a time-out. |
Or keeping your linens fresh.
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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| crofty wrote: |
| Lind wrote: |
| hitest wrote: |
| I don't know if I've ever seen a pop out window installed on any VW model that was not immediately next to a seat. They were there for access and ventilation. But a trunk full of Costco fixins and feminine products blocks access to any pop out in the trunk area. Just a hunch. |
They put popouts in the closet on westfalia campers. Not exactly next to a seat, but necessary for ventilation if you shove one of the kids into the closet for a time-out. |
Or keeping your linens fresh. |
In one of my flipseat brochures it states that the closet pop-out is for exactly that; keeping your linens fresh.
Why is the other pop-out on "standard flipseats" behind the driver and backward?
Back to the topic.. Have you ever been in a sunroof deluxe on a warm sunny day? 23 windows is more than plenty. No where to hide from the sun blasting in at all angles 
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| Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 11:36 am Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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| because there's nobody sitting back there to enjoy the view out the skylight |
This explanation makes the most sense to me. |
ya. Since that area was for luggage, no pop out windows there from Factory.
normal equipment was 2 pop outs- the 3rd window each side. 6 was a option. This was where the passengers in the back could open them. So when Westfalia installed a camper kit there were already 2 or 6 pop out windows in teh bus.
Many SO-42s had M108, which meant from the VW factory they got a fixed glass in the closet. 'without 5 side windows'.
Westfalia evidently installed five jalousies. Early bay westys had fixed windows in the closet there. I suppose in the late 60s they thought your linen was fresh. 
I had a 21 and on a hot sunny day was very tempted to rattle can paint over the drivers skylight. I no longer own a skylight bus. |
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| Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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Many SO-42s had M108, which meant from the VW factory they got a fixed glass in the closet. 'without 5 side windows'.
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Exactly 
My so42 has a fixed window (and no evidence of pop-out mounts) at the closet.
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| Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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| I figured the later Westy with fixed glass was to keep people from kyping the closet. |
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