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 Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:46 am Post subject: Re: New production Split-Bus body seen at MAM Funfest this weekend |
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| The company says they spent $2 Million+ on getting new dies made so that when put together the panel gaps would be perfect. So these are parts that have never been available before. |
Even with $2M in dies, they still have the cost of the raw materials and other costs to make panels available to buyers.
I'm trying to figure out how they are going to get that money back, can they sell oh I don't know, let's say $4M in repair panels and new bodies?
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| Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:46 am Post subject: Re: New production Split-Bus body seen at MAM Funfest this weekend |
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"Licensed By Ford Motor Company & Manufactured In Partnership With Dennis Carpenter Ford Restoration Parts"
"Each body shell is a Licensed GM restoration part"
What is interesting though, is that they don't say the challengers are licensed by Chrysler.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:18 am Post subject: Re: New production Split-Bus body seen at MAM Funfest this weekend |
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| 67ctbug wrote: |
| The company says they spent $2 Million+ on getting new dies made so that when put together the panel gaps would be perfect. So these are parts that have never been available before. |
Even with $2M in dies, they still have the cost of the raw materials and other costs to make panels available to buyers.
I'm trying to figure out how they are going to get that money back, can they sell oh I don't know, let's say $4M in repair panels and new bodies? |
Ya know, I don't see torsion housings or frame horns in any of the pics 
But...oh...so it's hard to say where the founder got the capital. He/they may have found investors to fund the whole venture, and if the founder's personal investment was minimal, a return on investment may be a minimal concern at this point. He may be in the grave before they turn profits...meanwhile, the capital is supporting the payroll...isn't that sort of how these things work? Contrasted with Gerson, who I'm assuming built his company brick by brick with his blood and sweat (just assuming here). And oh, by the way, just picked up my KF nose yesterday and DAMN that thing is heavy duty!
But anyway, this company's address leads to a non-descript industrial yard in central Ohio, where the buildings more resemble long, open carports or something. This oughtta be interesting. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:19 am Post subject: Re: New production Split-Bus body seen at MAM Funfest this weekend |
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"Licensed By Ford Motor Company & Manufactured In Partnership With Dennis Carpenter Ford Restoration Parts"
"Each body shell is a Licensed GM restoration part"
What is interesting though, is that they don't say the challengers are licensed by Chrysler. |
http://dynacornbodies.com/dynacorns-repro-70-challenger-body-available-now/
"Officially licensed by Ma Mopar, it’s available from Dynacorn Classic Bodies in ’70 Challenger hardtop form."
Maybe they think because they are in Taiwan they are out of reach by VW?
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| Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:20 am Post subject: Re: New production Split-Bus body seen at MAM Funfest this weekend |
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| The company says they spent $2 Million+ on getting new dies made so that when put together the panel gaps would be perfect. So these are parts that have never been available before. |
Even with $2M in dies, they still have the cost of the raw materials and other costs to make panels available to buyers.
I'm trying to figure out how they are going to get that money back, can they sell oh I don't know, let's say $4M in repair panels and new bodies? |
Well, it doesn't say they (Classic Steel Body) invested the money, just that millions have been invested.
I'm curious who originally commissioned the panels to be made, and if they had any kind of exclusivity agreement. These are the same panels BBT has been pushing lately, and the makers of the roofs Wolfsburg West has been selling. There's also the wholesaler Golden Star, in Texas.
That would suck to be the original company commissioning this, only to have other companies go straight to the manufacturing source, and beat you market/ undercut you. But hey, that's the risk you take going to a 3rd party in another country with no repercussions. Happens all the time. No different than all of the cheap wheels CIP1 sells, or many other parts out there
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| Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:51 am Post subject: Re: New production Split-Bus body seen at MAM Funfest this weekend |
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The one making the bus skeletons has a full array of classic American hot rods it produces in the same manner. |
Interesting catch, I couldn't find that association other than their Facebook lead-in on a Google search (but FB blocked me after a brief flash of their Bus body). Please tell more. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:03 am Post subject: Re: New production Split-Bus body seen at MAM Funfest this weekend |
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If they try to sell a complete skeleton plus the front nose installed, I wonder if VW will slap them with a cease and desist?
VW owns basic design patents on the silhouette of both the beetle and bus, and can stop anyone from copying them. Wonder if they will? |
I believe it is a trademark issue, not a patent issue. Advertising and selling a counterfeit trademarked product is a probably a bad idea. Mark my words, eventually someone will get stung hard because they don't understand the legalities of the situation.
For the record, I like the bodies, and I have always said that more split buses are a good thing. Whether they were built in Germany, Brazil, Columbia, Taiwan, Texas, or your own garage, more split buses is better than less split buses. |
They may have trademark issues as well, but what I was talking about was design patents. VW has basic design patents on the Beetle and Bus. They were smart to do this way back in the day, and they even updated them when the New Beetle was first made public:
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| Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:11 am Post subject: Re: New production Split-Bus body seen at MAM Funfest this weekend |
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Just in the past few weeks, Porsche lost control of the 911 design, and VW won against a toy manufacturer. Don't think that VW isn't highly protective of its model designs.
Porsche loses:
https://legal-patent.com/design-law-en/porsche-loses-design-protection-for-porsche-911/
VW wins:
https://legal-patent.com/design-law-en/vw-design-protection-successfully-defended/
Both these cases were with the EU, so not sure how US patents, copyrights, and trademarks would be affected, but I'm sure they will be.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:37 am Post subject: Re: New production Split-Bus body seen at MAM Funfest this weekend |
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I heard that Gerson was told by VW of Germany not to produce complete assembled bus bodies. I'm sure this new company will be sued unless they get an agreement in place with VW.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:33 am Post subject: Re: New production Split-Bus body seen at MAM Funfest this weekend |
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Either way, it'll be one BIG UPS box so when are they going to start producing barndoors??
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:41 am Post subject: Re: New production Split-Bus body seen at MAM Funfest this weekend |
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| I heard that Gerson was told by VW of Germany not to produce complete assembled bus bodies. I'm sure this new company will be sued unless they get an agreement in place with VW. |
That's the thing they are not sellling completed buses and that probably why. It's probably why the nose and the rear shelf area is missing, it's probably enough missing to skirt the patent restrictions. Maybe thats also why they don't include the corner windows. Why else do that?
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| Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:01 am Post subject: Re: New production Split-Bus body seen at MAM Funfest this weekend |
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| These look like the same panels being sold by many vendors currently. I used some to patch together a super crusty 66 this spring. They fit great, but the purists will notice differences right away. More busses on the road is good! |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:57 am Post subject: Re: New production Split-Bus body seen at MAM Funfest this weekend |
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Since the factory won't be building '59 Transporters again, it seems pointless to stop this, plus every old bus is an advertisement for Volkswagen. Just walk into a dealership and see how many images of old VWs there are, especially buses. It's part of their marketing.
Some companies have opened restoration facilities where you can drop off your car for restoration. I believe VW has one in Germany. I could see Volkswagen itself becoming a customer for these bodies.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:01 pm Post subject: Re: New production Split-Bus body seen at MAM Funfest this weekend |
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| Since none of his single parts fit a genuine bus without a lot of work, how do you make a full set of his part create a bus? It would be more impressive if they fit together. Kits? |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:07 am Post subject: Re: New production Split-Bus body seen at MAM Funfest this weekend |
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| Since none of his single parts fit a genuine bus without a lot of work, how do you make a full set of his part create a bus? It would be more impressive if they fit together. Kits? |
Since no single bus was the same, it’s probably safe to say that his parts fit better together than to an original, now minimum 42 year old bus. In many cases, much older.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:15 am Post subject: Re: New production Split-Bus body seen at MAM Funfest this weekend |
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| Since none of his single parts fit a genuine bus without a lot of work, how do you make a full set of his part create a bus? It would be more impressive if they fit together. Kits? |
Since no single bus was the same, it’s probably safe to say that his parts fit better together than to an original, now minimum 42 year old bus. In many cases, much older. |
I agree with both of you. A good bit of repop metal I’ve installed needed some fitment working, including but differently not limited to KF metal. It should be common knowledge that a 60-year-old bus like my ‘59 SC has its form and fitment given the pressings and workmanship that day, while these newer full-body “crate” buses might actually have greater uniformity.
I’d love to hear feedback on both this new supplier and KF. And where the hell would the fun be, if everything fit perfectly the first time from any supplier!? I love cussing at inanimate object for its shortcomings hahaha.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: New production Split-Bus body seen at MAM Funfest this weekend |
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| Since none of his single parts fit a genuine bus without a lot of work, how do you make a full set of his part create a bus? It would be more impressive if they fit together. Kits? |
Ah, but should be easy for him to make his parts fit each other, irrespective of how they would fit on an original bus, in much the way the door on a Revell bus fits perfectly on a Revell model, but not on your bus. However, I bought KF doglegs and a B pillar, and the various pieces didn't go together, either, so YMMV.
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