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hobbybob517 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Rattle driving me nuts (and bolts) VIDEO |
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theDrew wrote: |
what type of cam gear do you have? (straight of helical?) |
Helical
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SBD wrote: |
3 million rpm? Well there's your problem! No wonder it blew up! |
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hobbybob517 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Rattle driving me nuts (and bolts) VIDEO |
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dubsteez79 wrote: |
Sounds like something with a lot of mass. Either inside or behind the engine.
Flywheel loose maybe?
Pressure plate loose?
Input shaft slop or bad bearing?(I cant remember if these are bushed or have bearings) |
If it's not the cam, it could be that I guess _________________ THE BUILD http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php
SBD wrote: |
3 million rpm? Well there's your problem! No wonder it blew up! |
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chrisflstf Samba Member
Joined: February 10, 2004 Posts: 3442 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Rattle driving me nuts (and bolts) VIDEO |
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Loose spark plug, intakes hitting the sheet metal, lost and forgot nut dropped at some point? Sounds located at the dist or fuel pump area
I would use a stethoscope before tearing it apart |
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hobbybob517 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Rattle driving me nuts (and bolts) VIDEO |
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chrisflstf wrote: |
Loose spark plug, intakes hitting the sheet metal, lost and forgot nut dropped at some point? Sounds located at the dist or fuel pump area
I would use a stethoscope before tearing it apart |
I changed the plugs 3 days ago.
Intakes clear the tin easily.
Anything I can check around the fuel pump area? I've tightened the nuts, should I try a different fuel pump? _________________ THE BUILD http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php
SBD wrote: |
3 million rpm? Well there's your problem! No wonder it blew up! |
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chrisflstf Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Rattle driving me nuts (and bolts) VIDEO |
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Sounds like popcorn being made with ball bearings. Maybe pull the fuel pump and check the shaft and bottom of the fuel pump. |
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mukluk Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2012 Posts: 7028 Location: Clyde, TX
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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Rattle driving me nuts (and bolts) VIDEO |
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Better yet, remove the fuel pump and its pushrod then briefly run the engine to see if the noise stops. Cover the hole so oil doesn't sling out. _________________ 1960 Ragtop w/Semaphores "Inga" |
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ekacpuc Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2010 Posts: 1414 Location: ketchikan alaska
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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Rattle driving me nuts (and bolts) VIDEO |
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Goes away under load and you can’t find it outside the motor. Thinking connecting rod knock. I don’t typically jump to expensive conclusions but I’m currently rebuilding a motor that sounded the same. I too went through searching for it only to have the rod bind up and somewhat seize the motor. My money would be on a bad rod. Hope it isn’t |
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esde Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Rattle driving me nuts (and bolts) VIDEO |
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Loose wrist pins, or wrist pin bushings can sound like that, especially at idle when they're just spinning under minimal load. _________________ modok wrote:
Bent cranks are silent but gather no moss. I mean, ah, something like that. |
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hobbybob517 Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2011 Posts: 1194 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Rattle driving me nuts (and bolts) VIDEO |
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mukluk wrote: |
Better yet, remove the fuel pump and its pushrod then briefly run the engine to see if the noise stops. Cover the hole so oil doesn't sling out. |
Good idea, the weather is terrible today, thunder and lightning and lots of rain,
so i will have to wait for a bit. _________________ THE BUILD http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php
SBD wrote: |
3 million rpm? Well there's your problem! No wonder it blew up! |
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hobbybob517 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Rattle driving me nuts (and bolts) VIDEO |
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ekacpuc wrote: |
Goes away under load and you can’t find it outside the motor. Thinking connecting rod knock. I don’t typically jump to expensive conclusions but I’m currently rebuilding a motor that sounded the same. I too went through searching for it only to have the rod bind up and somewhat seize the motor. My money would be on a bad rod. Hope it isn’t |
I sure hope not , but it's not off the table. _________________ THE BUILD http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php
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3 million rpm? Well there's your problem! No wonder it blew up! |
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hobbybob517 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:25 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Rattle driving me nuts (and bolts) VIDEO |
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esde wrote: |
Loose wrist pins, or wrist pin bushings can sound like that, especially at idle when they're just spinning under minimal load. |
This makes more sense than a loose rod, had a loose rod on a old motorbike once, made a ratteling / knocking sound in every gear. _________________ THE BUILD http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php
SBD wrote: |
3 million rpm? Well there's your problem! No wonder it blew up! |
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theDrew Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:16 am Post subject: Re: Engine Rattle driving me nuts (and bolts) VIDEO |
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seems like you know the work ahead of you; start digging and you might end up with a split case before you know what the issue is. _________________ Turbo 2276 MS3X build http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=673125
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hobbybob517 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:53 am Post subject: Re: Engine Rattle driving me nuts (and bolts) VIDEO |
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I'd hate to pull the engine, I don't have a good place to work in anymore, I have a spare linebored case, might build it and swap it over, not sure if I can wait that long. _________________ THE BUILD http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php
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3 million rpm? Well there's your problem! No wonder it blew up! |
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hobbybob517 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:19 am Post subject: Re: Engine Rattle driving me nuts (and bolts) VIDEO |
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Update;
Today was a very hot day, i drove for about 20 miles,
and after about 10 miles i was waiting at a red light and the noise went away.
will check again tomorrow when the engine is cold. _________________ THE BUILD http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php
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3 million rpm? Well there's your problem! No wonder it blew up! |
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chrisflstf Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Rattle driving me nuts (and bolts) VIDEO |
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Maybe the loose nut fell out |
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ekacpuc Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Rattle driving me nuts (and bolts) VIDEO |
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hobbybob517 wrote: |
esde wrote: |
Loose wrist pins, or wrist pin bushings can sound like that, especially at idle when they're just spinning under minimal load. |
This makes more sense than a loose rod, had a loose rod on a old motorbike once, made a ratteling / knocking sound in every gear. |
A “loose rod” (I said rod knock) and a bad wrist pin are the same thing. btw. Only ones I saw where bad bushings (at wrist pin)
Glad it went away. Hope it doesn’t come back. |
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hobbybob517 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:02 am Post subject: Re: Engine Rattle driving me nuts (and bolts) VIDEO |
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It came back today _________________ THE BUILD http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php
SBD wrote: |
3 million rpm? Well there's your problem! No wonder it blew up! |
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65calvw Samba Member
Joined: January 17, 2012 Posts: 19 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Engine Rattle driving me nuts (and bolts) VIDEO |
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So what was it? Any luck? |
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65calvw Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Engine Rattle driving me nuts (and bolts) VIDEO |
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So what was it? Any luck? |
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Zed999 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Rattle driving me nuts (and bolts) VIDEO |
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I can't believe you've gone through all you have without using a stethoscope as suggested several times earlier in your thread. Any old stick or a big screwdriver will suffice. Or maybe you have but haven't said? It's quite soothing listening to your tappets like this.
Good luck with it. That it went away sort of makes you think something temporarily flicked it clear then it fell back off it's temporary perch. Clutch bolt? |
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