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Dung Beetle Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2018 Posts: 8 Location: Orinda, CA
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Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:54 pm Post subject: Empi 40 HPMX hex bar not aligned |
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Hey all, kind of dumb question. I bought a empi 40 HPMX dual carb kit with the hex bar linkage. I got it all assembled and the damn thing doesn't sit right. the receiver sockets for the ball ends are off set to compensate for the cylinders being offset, but it doesn't look like they are offset enough. Any tips?
also, the case is a universal type case. if that makes a difference. |
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20365 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 HPMX hex bar not aligned |
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Dung Beetle Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2018 Posts: 8 Location: Orinda, CA
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Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 HPMX hex bar not aligned |
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Dale M. wrote: |
Pictures?
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 HPMX hex bar not aligned |
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Pretty sure they have a set for straight intakes and another for offset intakes. You might have the wrong one? |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76760 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 HPMX hex bar not aligned |
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Pruneman99 wrote: |
Pretty sure they have a set for straight intakes and another for offset intakes. You might have the wrong one? |
Looks like straight manifolds and offset linkage. _________________ Glenn
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Dung Beetle Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2018 Posts: 8 Location: Orinda, CA
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Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 HPMX hex bar not aligned |
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Glenn wrote: |
Pruneman99 wrote: |
Pretty sure they have a set for straight intakes and another for offset intakes. You might have the wrong one? |
Looks like straight manifolds and offset linkage. |
Yeah, I think you are right there. it is pretty awesome this came as a kit. Got to love Empi. I think I will eventually do the sync link, so I just made it work by clearancing the bushing a little. |
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ps2375 Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2014 Posts: 2471 Location: Meridian,ID
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Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 HPMX hex bar not aligned |
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I made a plate to adapt mine when I put a new set of heads and manifolds on my motor. Turned out spot on.
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76760 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 HPMX hex bar not aligned |
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ps2375 Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2014 Posts: 2471 Location: Meridian,ID
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Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 HPMX hex bar not aligned |
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Glenn wrote: |
Nothing like having to "make" a purchased part work correctly. |
True, but the linkage was already on the car for over 3 decades. And no sense in having to buy new carb mounts for them and I had no idea what i had or what to ask about when ordering heads and port matched manifolds.
And the SS I used is plenty stiff and looks decent.
And besides, if you didn't have to make/modify anything, all you did was assemble parts, not "build" it.
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Dung Beetle Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2018 Posts: 8 Location: Orinda, CA
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Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 HPMX hex bar not aligned |
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ps2375 wrote: |
I made a plate to adapt mine when I put a new set of heads and manifolds on my motor. Turned out spot on.
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I like what you did there. Maybe I will do something like that. Also is that distributor stock? Looks a lot like a electronic ignition in a distributor package. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76760 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Dung Beetle Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2018 Posts: 8 Location: Orinda, CA
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Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 HPMX hex bar not aligned |
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oooh, this looks cool... I may have to try something like that in the future. |
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ps2375 Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2014 Posts: 2471 Location: Meridian,ID
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Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 HPMX hex bar not aligned |
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Dung Beetle wrote: |
oooh, this looks cool... I may have to try something like that in the future. |
It is a modified HEI distributor, my father did that before they came out with the kits and write-ups on how to do it, way back when.
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:42 am Post subject: Re: Empi 40 HPMX hex bar not aligned |
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just get the correct bracket and all will be fine. if you bought it new empi should send you what you need free,well they always sent me what was rong in the empi stuff Ive bought.Ive never had any service issue with empi. witch is why I was so happy when they bought bugpoop, as bugpoop had zero service.. it wood of beeen nice if they had made those brackets with adjustable stanchion for the bar to be adjusted up down fore&aft....then 1 part wood cover mulitable situations. nice doubble stack filters!!!^^^ |
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ps2375 Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2014 Posts: 2471 Location: Meridian,ID
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:00 am Post subject: Re: Empi 40 HPMX hex bar not aligned |
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mark tucker wrote: |
nice doubble stack filters!!!^^^ |
Thanks, I wanted more room above the stacks and this added enough and just fit under lid with no modding. |
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15280 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:47 am Post subject: Re: Empi 40 HPMX hex bar not aligned |
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My personal opinion is to throw all the EMPI and CB hex bar crap in the trash and get the CSP bellcrank linkage.
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Vanillagurilla Samba Member
Joined: November 21, 2017 Posts: 1061 Location: California
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:40 am Post subject: Re: Empi 40 HPMX hex bar not aligned |
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I ran my empi li kage like that for almost 2 years with no problems. Ended up wearing out the heims on the down rods and went with cb linkage with cast bases and tops. |
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Mike E. Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2019 Posts: 110 Location: Torrance, California
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 HPMX hex bar not aligned |
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I had exactly the same problem. I had to stick to my guns and press Empi. At their request, I sent them all of the parts that came in the kit I bought and they mocked it up and saw it wasn't right. At that point they scrounged up a different linkage plate and now my crossbar is parallel with the fan shroud. For the inconvenience they sent me the upgraded bearing assembly for the ends of the crossbar as well. You may want to try to see if they will send you the correct plate.
I have the contact number for the guy I dealt with at Empi. If you want it send me a PM and I'll share it with you. It may help using the same guy as he realized there was a real issue in the end and made it right.
Edit: I just pulled up the picture of mine and it was the opposite angle from yours
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oldschool5er Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2007 Posts: 804 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 HPMX hex bar not aligned |
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Empi crossbar kits dont fit redline air cleaner bases without running into this problem. Same thing with CB crossbar kit. I have to mod them when I use those with red line. The offset manifolds dont compensate enough for the early redline filter bases which I like to use on air box setups. It is the early redline bases that cause the issue from what CB said. _________________ HRE in Westerville,Ohio
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Mike E. Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2019 Posts: 110 Location: Torrance, California
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 HPMX hex bar not aligned |
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oldschool5er wrote: |
Empi crossbar kits dont fit redline air cleaner bases without running into this problem. Same thing with CB crossbar kit. I have to mod them when I use those with red line. The offset manifolds dont compensate enough for the early redline filter bases which I like to use on air box setups. It is the early redline bases that cause the issue from what CB said. |
That is a possibility in certain cases, but all of my parts including the manifolds were supplied by Empi. It appears from the OP's first post that he had all Empi parts as well. It is certainly a quality control issue with Empi matching the manifolds with the lower air cleaner bases. |
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