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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:29 am    Post subject: Re: Reconstruction of the 1937 W30/26 Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:19 am    Post subject: Re: Reconstruction of the 1937 W30/26 Reply with quote

Some of the early histories, maybe including the book "Small Wonder," recounted a VW30 test car hitting a deer and limping back to base. The incident was sometimes cited to point out an advantage of the rear engine.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Reconstruction of the 1937 W30/26 Reply with quote

Small Wonder, Walter Henry Nelson
Copyright 1965, 1967, 1970

page 55:

"One [VW30 test car] ran into a truck, another into a motorcyclist, and once a car hit a large deer at full speed going down the autobahn. The collision knocked out a headlight and demolished the front bodywork. "In this case," Vorwig [Wilhelm Vorwig, liaison between the Porsche Bureau and the German auto manufacturers' trade association, RDA] remembers, "the results weren't entirely negative. The crew of the vehicle tossed the stag into the rear seat, its four legs sticking out a window, and raced back home at full speed, to get it there before it began to stink. We had a feast of venison and the accident further proved that a rear-engine vehicle can drive away from a collision."
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:19 am    Post subject: Re: Reconstruction of the 1937 W30/26 Reply with quote

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Small Wonder, Walter Henry Nelson
Copyright 1965, 1967, 1970

page 55:

"One [VW30 test car] ran into a truck, another into a motorcyclist, and once a car hit a large deer at full speed going down the autobahn. The collision knocked out a headlight and demolished the front bodywork. "In this case," Vorwig [Wilhelm Vorwig, liaison between the Porsche Bureau and the German auto manufacturers' trade association, RDA] remembers, "the results weren't entirely negative. The crew of the vehicle tossed the stag into the rear seat, its four legs sticking out a window, and raced back home at full speed, to get it there before it began to stink. We had a feast of venison and the accident further proved that a rear-engine vehicle can drive away from a collision."


"Small wonder" was fun and informative for its day, but in comparison to recent books and now internet threads, it comes out as a bit of fun story-telling. Would anyone stick a stag in the rear seat? And which windows would you stick the feet out of, windows being fixed in the back.. I guessed they strapped it to the roof or the hood, "Deer Hunter" style.

In any case it isn't a W30, the car is V3/3, identifiable by the reduced width of the trunk lid. V3/2 and /1 had full width lids. Incidentally, this looks much like the body of V1, modified for the V3 chassis and with a redone front end, but the jury is still out on this one.

As commented by Chris Barber, it is interesting to note that the headlamps were already seen as inadequate, so they added a third light to avoid stags at night. The dent in the front is crudely made to fit the light.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:19 am    Post subject: Re: Reconstruction of the 1937 W30/26 Reply with quote

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The V3/3 pictured above was in fact the body of the old 1935 V1 with a face-lift and fitted to the new V3 chassis in 1936. The face-lift consisting of moving the headlights to the fenders (done to the other V3 cars later as well) and a new or modified rear lid with more and longer cooling louvers for the new flat-four engine.

One curious feature of car V3/3 was a centrally mounted headlight. It appeared for a period of time during the test runs during November 1936. In his book Chris Barber suggests the light was fitted when the car was still being finished in the garage of the Porsche Villa. After examination of several photos I would like to suggest the light was fitted later on. It appears that in the first photos of face-lifted car V3/3 taken on 10th September 1936 there is no evidence of such light. The photo taken in Porsche’s garage with the light fitted, shows a very worn right front tire suggesting the car had already done quite a bit of driving. There exists film footage that also shows this car driving with the central light fitted. The car suffered a serious encounter with a stag sometime in November evident by this post crash photo that shows what looks like the remains of that light. Apparently all new headlights were fitted after the car was repaired and the central light is no longer seen after that. Only 6 rivets can be seen on the nose supposedly there to hold a reinforcing plate for the central headlight. Interesting that the plate was left there even after repairs, perhaps just in case a light had to fitted again? Car V3/3 lived on well after the tests. It received bumpers and tail lights from the VW38 series of cars. It was even photographed in the Porsche family town Vratislavice nad Nisou (Maffersdorf) in the Czech Republic.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:29 am    Post subject: Re: Reconstruction of the 1937 W30/26 Reply with quote

As for the indecent with the stag, here is an interesting tidbit on that.

This is an invitation addressed to Karl Lerner for the closing celebration of the 50,000 Kilometre test drive (that’s 50,000 each) of the V3 cars. The date is Monday 21st December 1936 at the Pilsner Urquell restaurant, Kronprinz Strasse 12, Stuttgart. (just about 10 minute walk from the Porsche office in Kronen Strasse).
By this time all three cars had reached the 50,000 Km target and the test drive was to be officially concluded the following day on the 22nd December. Seems the Porsche team had quite a nice party on that day with entertainment and drinks including a film showing.

The drawings on this invitation are fascinating. At the top we see a man closely resembling Ferdinand Porsche himself dressed in a coat and a Homburg hat talking to guards. Behind him we see the three V3 cars all wearing their covers with Roman numerals I, II and III secured with massive padlocks! Further down we see a man (Ferdinand Porsche again?) dictating a letter to his secretary.

Further down one of the V3s is getting a lot of attention from the mechanics. This sight must have been quite common at the Villa and on the road.

Further down the V3/3 chasing itself and lower still the V3/3 being filled up at the fuel pump set up in the Porsche Villa courtyard. Notice the Shell fuel drums. Further down is what appears to be the V3/1 or 2 chasing some rabbits and at the bottom is the (in)famous accident scene between the V3/3 and a stag. This crash of course left the car seriously damaged and it looks like the occupants of the car are taking a walk home.
Wouldn’t it be nice to a fly on the wall at this party?

I wonder who the lucky guy Karl Lerner was.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:25 am    Post subject: Re: Reconstruction of the 1937 W30/26 Reply with quote

I cannot wait for your book, Undis! I am totally in line with your theory that V1 body was reused for V3/3. I guess this is your montage?
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Here's V3/3 without the bulge. Judging from the dented fender, this is probably after the repair following "stag night"? Or is it before the fitting of the centre light, but after some road wear? Bodyrepair men had good times working for Porsche in those days.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:16 am    Post subject: Re: Reconstruction of the 1937 W30/26 Reply with quote

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I cannot wait for your book, Undis! I am totally in line with your theory that V1 body was reused for V3/3. I guess this is your montage?


Thanks mate, a book would be a good idea but getting publishing rights for all those photos would be a royal pain in the derriere. For now I have to settle for the Samba and my Facebook page. I think the V1 - V3/3 mystery requires its own thread. I've had long discussions on this subject with Patrick (he goes by the name IIIA-0426 here) and he is the main reason I had to change my mind about the very early cars built in 1935.


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Here's V3/3 without the bulge. Judging from the dented fender, this is probably after the repair following "stag night"? Or is it before the fitting of the centre light, but after some road wear? Bodyrepair men had good times working for Porsche in those days.


I believe this photo is from the early '40ies, so some time after the November / December 1936 tests which appears to be the time period when the central light was fitted. The V3/3 initially had a different set of fender mounted headlights but those were changed after the stag accident. In the above photo the V3/3 is in its final form with bumpers and tail lights here seen visiting the Porsche family town Vratislavice nad Nisou (Maffersdorf) in the Czech Republic. Here it is in front of Oskar Porsche’s business. Oskar was Ferdinand Porsche’s brother.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:07 am    Post subject: Re: Reconstruction of the 1937 W30/26 Reply with quote

Let's do a new thread then, Undis!

It's about time I think. My views on the early history have also been re-formed somewhat by our critical review of evidence.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:58 am    Post subject: Re: Reconstruction of the 1937 W30/26 Reply with quote

Young man on the right looks alot like Hans Klauser, who would stay with Porsche until his retirement.
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Klauser is seen here in the foreground at the 1956 LeMans race. Ferry Porsche is crouching behind him, with Ferry's son Wolfgang lying down at left.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Reconstruction of the 1937 W30/26 Reply with quote

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Let's do a new thread then, Undis!

It's about time I think. My views on the early history have also been re-formed somewhat by our critical review of evidence.


Yes I think it's time to put it out there. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Reconstruction of the 1937 W30/26 Reply with quote

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Young man on the right looks alot like Hans Klauser, who would stay with Porsche until his retirement.


Yes. I'm sure that's Hans Klauser. He can be seen in several photos of the early prototypes.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Reconstruction of the 1937 W30/26 Reply with quote

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Rome wrote:
Young man on the right looks alot like Hans Klauser, who would stay with Porsche until his retirement.


Yes. I'm sure that's Hans Klauser. He can be seen in several photos of the early prototypes.


Confirmed. If I am not mistaken, this and a batch of other photos were actually from his family estate.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Reconstruction of the 1937 W30/26 Reply with quote

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IIIA-0426 wrote:
Let's do a new thread then, Undis!

It's about time I think. My views on the early history have also been re-formed somewhat by our critical review of evidence.


Yes I think it's time to put it out there. Wink


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:35 am    Post subject: Re: Reconstruction of the 1937 W30/26 Reply with quote

Just getting back to the W30, I had a bit of fun and superimposed two of the original technical drawings Sk 1779 chassis design and side view drawing from the V3 report. Surprisingly they line up perfectly. I used the wheelbase of 2400 mm as my scale constant and played around on the photocopier until I got both right. I shaded in the trunk area and the engine/transmission area to get a better understanding of the different zones of the body. The trunk area of the W30 body is entirely different to that of a regular Type 1. The small front hood only has access to the spare tire and the fuel tank with just a small amount of additional storage. Gauge pod and wiring is accessible from inside the car as underneath of the dashboard is open.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2020 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Reconstruction of the 1937 W30/26 Reply with quote

Here’s an update on the reconstruction of the 1937 W30/26 being carried out by the Hessisch Oldendorf team. The body buck that was used to build the Autostadt W30 replica was deemed unusable by the Hessisch Oldendorf team so brand new buck had to be constructed. The reason for this is that the Autostadt buck has wrong dimensions derived from a regular Beetle body. The original W30 bodies were more narrow. The only way forward was to build a new one from scratch using all correct measurements.

The building of the entire new body has been entrusted to René Große Restaurierungen GmbH & Co.KG at Wusterwitz, Germany (www.rene-grosse.com). A top-notch specialist was needed to recreate a complete new body by hand. The methods used here would be the same as used by the Daimler Benz body builders back in 1937.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2020 4:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Reconstruction of the 1937 W30/26 Reply with quote

Once the wooden buck is finished the main lines are sketched in on it using soft copper tubing.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2020 4:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Reconstruction of the 1937 W30/26 Reply with quote

The starting point of the construction has been chosen to be the windscreen and the roof fold lines.


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2020 4:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Reconstruction of the 1937 W30/26 Reply with quote

Pieces of sheet steel are then rolled and attached to the fold lines.
Just look how bulbous that roof looks. Nothing like a regular Beetle.


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2020 4:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Reconstruction of the 1937 W30/26 Reply with quote

So sweet. I want to build something off a wooden buck someday. How is the copper pipe adhered to the buck? Big staples? Any detail shots of buck construction? Do most people build bucks with cnc routers now or what?
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