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Xevin 
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 Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:45 am Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.??? build for camping and fire breathing? Possible? |
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Some how you need to find a way to drive a proper EFI stock bay, a properly set up 71mm stroke, or Raby Camper Special and decide. Maybe find some Bay Area guys Buses you can test drive. I’m sure Clatter will let you drive his. Then after test drive you can help him sanding type 3 body panels 
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GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo!  |
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| Damn that Xevin... |
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notchboy
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:11 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.??? build for camping and fire breathing? Possible? |
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42x36 heads - from either Len Hoffman or Adrian (Headflowmasters)
Do not skimp on heads (New re-worked or nothing)
AA biral P/C's or KB
40IDF Weber
73 Web cam with solid lifters or Raby 9550
Porsche swivel adjusters
4-1 exhaust w/quietpack
Bosch SVDA
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I can tell you Clatters and udidwht buses are bad ass and get it done. |
What ever dude.  
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OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
1964 1500 S
1964 T34 S Convertible
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Xevin
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.??? build for camping and fire breathing? Possible? |
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| Xevin wrote: |
I can tell you Clatters and udidwht buses are bad ass and get it done. |
What ever dude. |
Yep, Notchboys bus with the Raby set up is really fun to drive 
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MikeyM73
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| Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:38 am Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.??? build for camping and fire breathing? Possible? |
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Jason, greetings from Norcal. I was wondering if you could give me some info on your engine set up. Is it a full camper special kit? Or have you substituted a few different parts here in there? As you read in my post about building a 2 L stroker, I’m really wondering if it is worth doing or if I should just stay in a stock 2L. I have been told by a few reputable folks that if one should decide to build a stroker, if you keep it under 2.2 and simply plan to buy the H beam, lighter, rods that everything will pretty much fit together with minimal clearance and, although all the proper measurements and calibrations still need to be double checked and adjusted. Do you see any reliability issues with the stroker? As long as it’s done properly. I’m not opposed to going with the stock 2Lat all, would just like a little more power but if I can get it with the stock 2L. That’s fine by me. Thanks for any input
Mikey
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udidwht
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Location: Seattle, WA./ HB, Ca./ Shizuoka, Japan
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:54 am Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.??? build for camping and fire breathing? Possible? |
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No matter what you build, there's no discounting the details and the tune.
You could have a huge stroker that ran lean with a lot of blow-by,
And it would be passed by a stocker that was tuned to perfection..
Additionally,
Tuning is KEY for the life of any air-cooled motor pushing a bus.
Even a reliable stocker (usually) dies as the tune becomes lean.
On the other hand,
A motor like Jason's that theoretically shouldn't live very long,
-Might- just live a long life IF he's monitoring his temps and tune.
I think he's done a couple VWs before?? 
There's just so many things that can kill a type 4;
So many things that after 50 years are just primed to do so.
Things that only go bad after 50 years..!
The spark can get all wonky from any number of things related to the distributor and it's advance mechanism(s) and drivetrain.
This all being stuff that few look at; we're usually looking at points, dwell, cap, stuff like that.
FI wiring harnesses are ready for replacement after so long.
Getting a new Kyle FI harness was the best thing I ever did.
If you run carbs, are they ching chong fung ChinaChina "Webers"?
Or are they 50-year-old Italian OG Webers at the end of their life?
Either way, you'll have to get them right, and there's whole books written on that subject.
And those books were written about Webers brand new from Europe..
There can be fuel delivery issues from old rusty tanks and rotten vent lines and filler tubes falling apart and..
It just goes on and on..
We did a motor for a friend of mine recently,
it was a stock 1971 (2-liter type 4).
It only had early heaters, a header, and slightly bigger valves (1.7 heads).
The thing runs great. Plenty of power.
The injectors were all re-done and flow-matched, and it's tuned perfectly.
Get there first,
Then say you want to build a big stroker.
You gotta cover the bases first.
You'd better be really good with your stock motors already,
Before you'll keep bigger power alive for any length of time.
Thank GOD there's wide-band O2 sensing available so cheap nowadays,
otherwise, this all might be nigh impossible..
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Greatly depends on when it's lean...
Under load/WOT? Yes
Light/part throttle (no load-light load (Cruise)? No. Nothing wrong with 16:1 AFR under those conditions.
Load = Throttle position
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1972 Westy Hardtop/Type-4 2056cc
96mm Biral AA P/C's~7.8:1CR
Headflow Masters New AMC 42x36mm heads w/Porsche swivel adjusters
71mm Stroke
73 Web Cam w/Web solids
Dual 40mm IDF Webers - LM-2 - 47.5 idles/125 mains/190 air corr./F11 tubes/28mm Vents - Float height 10.45mm/Drop 32mm
Bosch SVDA w/Pertronix module (7.5 initial 28 total @ 3400rpm)
Bosch W8CC plugs
Pertronix Flamethrower 40K coil
S&S 4-1 w/Walker QP 17862
3 rib 002 Trans
185R14 Hankook tires |
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