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jtauxe Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2004 Posts: 5780 Location: Los Alamos, New Mexico
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Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:09 pm Post subject: What to do with a new-to-you Type 2 |
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I recently promised to post a list that I have been working on...
[Edited 30 Jul 2019.]
From my experience in refurbishing 17 Type 2s (campers, transporters, and trucks) over the last 35+ years, I have found that there is generally a lot of deferred maintenance needed on most any bus that you might buy. Here is my list of stuff to do to make your bus great. I acknowledge that it could take years to check off all these items...
WHAT TO DO FOR A NEW-TO-YOU VW BAYWINDOW BUS
A practical checklist of systems to check and service to make your bus safe to drive, and then some
This list assumes that the bus you have found suffers from deferred maintenance. Even if you have had a bus for a long time, this is a useful checklist to consult to make sure you have done everything that you should in order to keep your bus safe and reliable.
MAKE IT SAFE TO MOVE (e.g. putting it on a trailer)
The bus has to be able to roll and not roll, as desired.
Inspect your tires: Are they the correct size and rating? Do they need replacing because of excessive wear or age?
Check the emergency brake to make sure it holds the bus firmly.
MAKE IT SAFE TO DRIVE
If the bus has been sitting for a long time,
drain gas; inspect drained gas for crud
inspect fuel filter for crud
replace fuel filler neck, all vapor lines, and all fuel lines (this requires access to the tank)
install fresh fuel filter, and move it out of the engine compartment and upstream of the pump
rinse tank with some fresh gas, slosh around, and drain
inspect fresh gas and fuel filter for crud
plan on removing the gas tank and giving it a full inspection, even if apparently clean
consider removing/cleaning/rebuilding carburetor(s), as applicable
inspect (better yet, just replace) all vacuum lines
inspect alternator/generator belt
inspect foam engine compartment seal
clean oil screen (torque bolt to only 9 ft-lb!), change oil and filter; inspect condition of oil
service distributor; set point gap
inspect spark plugs and wires
add a little oil to each cylinder while each plug is out
turn engine over by hand several times to distribute oil in pistons
check TDC mark to verify top dead centermark the pulley if needed
determine if you have hydraulic or solid lifters
adjust valves
adjust belt tension
check end play
inspect/charge battery
inspect thermostat for proper connection to engine cooling flapstest with heat gun and infrared thermometer gun
inspect all metal, especially structural pieces, for integrity. Don't be gingerly about it, either. Poke at those sketchy spots as if your life depended on it.
You may now attempt to start the bus. Then you can
do a compression test
adjust timing and dwell
But there is more work to do before driving the bus!
remove/inspect/replace/regrease CV joints
reinstall CV joints, with new special dished serrated washers and 12-pint socket screws
top up or replace transaxle oil
top up or replace steering box oil
inspect the steering coupler disc
inspect/adjust steering and front end play
lubricate front end
inspect ball joints and boots; replace if necessary
inspect the exhaust system
inspect the heat exchangers and hoses
inspect washer fluid tank and hoses
Consider the brake system:
inspect metal brake lineslook for leaks, incipient cracks, or wear at the points of penetration through sheet metal where grommets should be intact
inspect (or better yet, just replace) rubber brake hoses for leaks and cracks, but know that they may be goopy inside and not show signs on the outsidemaybe just replace them if you dont know how old they are
lubricate the drum brake adjusting stars
check the thickness of the drum brake shoes
replace any missing inspection port covers and brake bleeding port covers
adjust the parking/emergency brake, but realize that if the shoes are thin it is normal that the handbrake will pull out further than it would if the shoes are new
inspect front brake pads for thickness
bleed the brakes all around
Transaxle:
inspect for leaks
check fluid level and top off if necessary
inspect the shift linkage, from shifter knob to transaxle
evaluate function while driving
Steering box:
inspect for leaks
check fluid level and top off if necessary
Control cables: inspect the following cables for wear, fraying, and smooth operation, and buy spares regardless:
parking brake
accelerator
clutch
heater controls
Charging system:
battery
alternator
voltage regulator
Instruments:
Check instrument functions:
o alternator/charging light
o oil pressure light
o fuel gauge
o speedometer
o odometer
Check controls:
o wiper switch
o turn signal switch
o headlight switch
o hazard light switch
Miscellaneous:
check the ignition switch for proper operation
check horn function
replace wiper blades
repack wheel bearings
check all lights for correct function
replace missing lens seals
check seat belts for wear and age (original belts may look cool, but may not perform when you need them to)
check all rear seats and clamps attaching them to the floor
check bumpers and their secure attachment to the vehicle
check front splash pan and its secure attachment
Bus is now safe to drive!
Now on to the cosmetics and quality of life issues
Interior inspections:
front air duct drain in front of the kick panels
air duct control levers
glove box
pedals
hand brake
steering wheel
heat ducting
interior lights
seats and their mounting
mirrors: glass and mounting
doors and windows:
o service door lock mechanisms by removing them from the doors and cleaning and lubricating them
o get all locks onto one key, and determine the key code
o service (clean and lubricate) the window regulators
o lubricate hinges
o inspect wing windows
o service sliding door, if you have one
o inspect all door and hatch seals
o inspect front door vapor barriers
o door interior light switches
o inspect all glass and rubber seals
upholstery: inspect and repair or replace as it suits you
o interior panels
o headliner
o rubber mats
o carpet
Recommended upgrades:
retractable seat belts
head rests if you have 1973 or later
VW scissors jack
lights in the engine compartment
electric window washer fluid pump
battery knife switch for easy disconnect
H4 headlights
fuel pump shut-off relay (non FI)
Vanagon seats with arm rests (if you have a 1976 ½ or later bus)
Some upgrades others have done:
power steering
power door locks
There. That ought to keep you busy for awhile. _________________ John
"Travelling in a fried-out Kombi, on a hippie trail, head full of zombie..." - Colin Hay and Ron Strykert
http://vw.tauxe.net
1969 Transporter, 1971 Westfalia, 1976, 1977, 1976, 1977, 1971, 1973, 1977 Westfalias,
1979 Champagne Sunroof, 1974 Westfalia Automatic, 1979 Transporter, 1972 Sportsmobile, 1973 Transporter Wild Westerner, 1974 Westfalia parts bus, 1975 Mexican single cab *FOR SALE*, 1978 Irish 4-door double cab RHD
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Angus II Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2016 Posts: 708 Location: Mammoth Lakes Ca. 93546
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Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: New-to-you bus deferred maintenance list |
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Dude, what are you talking about?.
The previous owner said it was running and driving fine about 10 years ago, when he parked it.... I just want to drive the bus, man.
And, what is all that technical stuff you were talking about anyway?. Doesn't it have a check engine light? |
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timvw7476 Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2013 Posts: 2206 Location: seattle
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Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: New-to-you bus deferred maintenance list |
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i like checking
1. fuellines & then I also do
2. fuellines & then there's the final one.
3.return fuel lines |
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ccpalmer Samba Member
Joined: September 17, 2006 Posts: 3850 Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: New-to-you bus deferred maintenance list |
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I missed a few on that test, only took me 12 years! _________________ '71 Westy |
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bigdaveb Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2004 Posts: 53
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Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: New-to-you bus deferred maintenance list |
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Jtauxe,
I may have missed it on your list, but it would be a very good idea to inspect and replace the steering coupler as needed (part # 211415417). In the last three buses that I've checked out, they were badly cracked and rotted. A genuine VW replacement is preferable. Refer to the following post:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=435679&highlight=steering+coupling+replace |
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jtauxe Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2004 Posts: 5780 Location: Los Alamos, New Mexico
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:01 am Post subject: Re: New-to-you bus deferred maintenance list |
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Good one!
inspect the steering coupler disc
I hope that this thread will prompt others to add their own observations, as you have done. _________________ John
"Travelling in a fried-out Kombi, on a hippie trail, head full of zombie..." - Colin Hay and Ron Strykert
http://vw.tauxe.net
1969 Transporter, 1971 Westfalia, 1976, 1977, 1976, 1977, 1971, 1973, 1977 Westfalias,
1979 Champagne Sunroof, 1974 Westfalia Automatic, 1979 Transporter, 1972 Sportsmobile, 1973 Transporter Wild Westerner, 1974 Westfalia parts bus, 1975 Mexican single cab *FOR SALE*, 1978 Irish 4-door double cab RHD
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22670 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:37 am Post subject: Re: New-to-you bus deferred maintenance list |
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Non desert areas
Integrity of front axle supports between the axle tubes.
Dig in at them with an ice pick. Really. You arent doing any more damage, just finding out what axle you dont have, _________________ .ssS! |
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TomWesty Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2007 Posts: 3482 Location: Wyoming,USA
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Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:19 am Post subject: Re: New-to-you bus deferred maintenance list |
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Abscate wrote: |
Non desert areas
Integrity of front axle supports between the axle tubes.
Dig in at them with an ice pick. Really. You arent doing any more damage, just finding out what axle you dont have, |
I had a poster get pretty angry at me after he discovered that his beam was rotted by doing this. As though it was my fault. _________________ If you haven't bled on them, you haven't worked on them.
Visit: www.tomcoryell.com and check out my music! |
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jtauxe Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2004 Posts: 5780 Location: Los Alamos, New Mexico
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Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:38 am Post subject: Re: New-to-you bus deferred maintenance list |
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Abscate wrote: |
Non desert areas
Integrity of front axle supports between the axle tubes.
Dig in at them with an ice pick. Really. You arent doing any more damage, just finding out what axle you dont have, |
Another good one. I should have remembered that on my first bus, a 1969 Transporter that grew up in Manitoba and New York. I drove it across some railroad tracks and the front beams collapsed, just squishing the two beams together. Looked OK from the outside, but inside all was rotten, and the supports had just given up.
Good thing I was going slow.
Inspect all metal, especially structural pieces, for integrity. Don't be gingerly about it, either. Poke at those sketchy spots as if your life depended on it. _________________ John
"Travelling in a fried-out Kombi, on a hippie trail, head full of zombie..." - Colin Hay and Ron Strykert
http://vw.tauxe.net
1969 Transporter, 1971 Westfalia, 1976, 1977, 1976, 1977, 1971, 1973, 1977 Westfalias,
1979 Champagne Sunroof, 1974 Westfalia Automatic, 1979 Transporter, 1972 Sportsmobile, 1973 Transporter Wild Westerner, 1974 Westfalia parts bus, 1975 Mexican single cab *FOR SALE*, 1978 Irish 4-door double cab RHD
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thewalrus Big Jack
Joined: March 27, 2006 Posts: 3014 Location: Belchertown, MA
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Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:30 am Post subject: Re: New-to-you bus deferred maintenance list |
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jtauxe wrote: |
inspect vacuum lines |
I'd change that to "replace." How many times have people come on here and said their vacuum lines looked OK and they were frayed beyond use
jtauxe wrote: |
Recommended upgrades:
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power steering
power door locks
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Why?
The rest looks great! Nice write up _________________ '73 Transporter 1.7L Dual Carb
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jtauxe Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2004 Posts: 5780 Location: Los Alamos, New Mexico
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:31 am Post subject: Re: New-to-you bus deferred maintenance list |
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thewalrus wrote: |
jtauxe wrote: |
inspect vacuum lines |
I'd change that to "replace." How many times have people come on here and said their vacuum lines looked OK and they were frayed beyond use
jtauxe wrote: |
Recommended upgrades:
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power steering
power door locks
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Why?
The rest looks great! Nice write up |
OK, so not recommended by me, necessarily. Some people like them. I moved them to other upgrades to consider.
My favorite upgrades are the retractable seat belts, Vanagon seats with arm rests, and the knife switch for disconnecting the battery. _________________ John
"Travelling in a fried-out Kombi, on a hippie trail, head full of zombie..." - Colin Hay and Ron Strykert
http://vw.tauxe.net
1969 Transporter, 1971 Westfalia, 1976, 1977, 1976, 1977, 1971, 1973, 1977 Westfalias,
1979 Champagne Sunroof, 1974 Westfalia Automatic, 1979 Transporter, 1972 Sportsmobile, 1973 Transporter Wild Westerner, 1974 Westfalia parts bus, 1975 Mexican single cab *FOR SALE*, 1978 Irish 4-door double cab RHD
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Mikehoe7 Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2011 Posts: 9 Location: Gulf Breeze, FL
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:52 am Post subject: Re: What to do with a new-to-you Type 2 |
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jtauxe wrote: |
I recently promised to post a list that I have been working on...
[Edited 30 Jul 2019.]
From my experience in refurbishing 17 Type 2s (campers, transporters, and trucks) over the last 35+ years, I have found that there is generally a lot of deferred maintenance needed on most any bus that you might buy. Here is my list of stuff to do to make your bus great. I acknowledge that it could take years to check off all these items...
WHAT TO DO FOR A NEW-TO-YOU VW BAYWINDOW BUS
A practical checklist of systems to check and service to make your bus safe to drive, and then some... |
This is great! Thank you! |
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Bluebird77 Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2019 Posts: 23 Location: Ontario Canada
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:59 am Post subject: Re: What to do with a new-to-you Type 2 |
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hey thanks!
That is a great list. Made me feel a bit dizzy but in a good way..
I appreciate the help! _________________ 1977 Sage Green Westfalia
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dodger tom Samba Member
Joined: March 25, 2013 Posts: 1272 Location: Central Coast, CA, but we're all still Ukrainian
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2022 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: What to do with a new-to-you Type 2 |
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As a suggested upgrade I'd add third brake light. Even later T2's with big lenses have only small brake lights, low down. Having people see you are stopping can be a great help. _________________ 1978 Champaign Edition 2 Westfalia
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Sash_Bay Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2022 Posts: 47 Location: Stillwater, MN
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2022 7:16 am Post subject: Re: What to do with a new-to-you Type 2 |
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Holy Crap. Get in it, turn the key, and figure it out as you rolling. |
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ToolBox Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2004 Posts: 3439 Location: Detroit, where they don't jack parts off my ride in the parking lot of the 7-11
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2022 11:49 am Post subject: Re: What to do with a new-to-you Type 2 |
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Sash_Bay wrote: |
Holy Crap. Get in it, turn the key, and figure it out as you rolling. |
Till the rats nest you did not clean out of the cooling tin causes the engine to overheat and seize.
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