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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9960 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: Jimmy V’s 54 Oval Project |
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To continue what happened......
Decided to clean out the fork and run a new conduit. Here’s the fork all cleaned up.
I then reviewed the approach on removing the knob end of the heater cables. Here it is on the inside of the tunnel. Looks like one tack weld.
At the top of the tunnel, the riser, or the tube that these conduits enter, is protruding up about 2 1/2” inches, with a fine thread for the heater knob to thread down onto. Here it is on the outside of the tunnel. It has a nice weld bead around 180 degrees, opposite the tack weld on the interior side of the tunnel.
And a few more shots of the interior connection to the tunnel.
Before removing the riser, I measured the angle of the remaining segment of the cable conduits.
The riser descend at a 65 degree angle towards the rear of the car.
So, first up was grinding the interior tack weld off of the riser. Here’s the close up of the sole interior weld.
Here is the non welded interior side.
The interior ground down.
Exterior ground down.
Stuck a 1/2” extension that was 12” long to help wiggle it till the remaining weld connections let go.
Broke it, see that crack!
Where did it go?
Here it is! With what is left of the old conduits.
Now, where did I put that box of stainless steel tubing I purchased several months ago? Ah, found it, in back of the front seats! Opened it up and look at what I got here! My tubing, all ready to go!
And the sheet with the suppliers name on it, just in case someone else travels down this road! Your welcome!
Needed to double check the new one.
To the old rust segment.
Figuring the rust is two hundredths of an inch thick!
Started in on the rear connection by grinding the weld holding the tube where it exits the fork.
Had to wiggle it to break the remnant weld. Stuck my Awl down in there, broke the weld and the tip off of my Awl!
And after they were broke. I pulled out the remnant.
It was about a foot long.
Then I threaded in the new tubing.
Used a radiator hose tool to locate and guide the new tube through the fork hole.
Here is the tube showing itself in the cut out.
And at the control tube end. Perfect!
Pulled it out and made another one, for the other side. Here they are.
Then stuck the passenger side tube into the tunnel, as it was, last time one was intact and present. No easy feat!
Then onto the driver’s side!
Ground the weld at the fork end and pulled out the remnant.
Flipped the pan over and threaded the drivers side into place.
And here it is sticking out of the fork!
And through the tunnel to the control knob hole.
There they are sticking out of the control knob tube hole. But they are pointing in different directions and, fortunately, too long.
So, I wire tied the 2 tubes together and started bending them into the shape they need to be.
After some time, working in a cramped spot and pushing, pulling and bending. I got it! Still too long (by design) but in perfect alignment, from what I know.
Then pulled it out of the tunnel, so that they can be cut to length.
Measured, marked.
And cut! Deburred and ready!
Need to get the heater tube riser ready for its new tubes. Ground off the weld and knocked out the remnant segments of the tubes.
Then slide it onto the new tubes.
Set up for welding it together!
Welded!
Then down into the tunnel. Welded!
That’s as far as I got. Maybe back on it this weekend, if time allows! _________________ Jimbo
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9960 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:58 pm Post subject: Re: Jimmy V’s 54 Oval Project |
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Chickensoup wrote: |
Now just imagine if you had left it alone! Great attention to detail! Keep it up, even if you cant move along at a more preferred pace. |
Thanks for the support man! _________________ Jimbo
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
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sunroof Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2006 Posts: 1773 Location: Winnipeg
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:19 am Post subject: Re: Jimmy V’s 54 Oval Project |
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Fantastic! This is all work I am going to have to do to mine. The heater cables are stuck in the tubes. I put the TR6 into a friends garage last night so I would have room this winter to work on the chassis in comfort. But first I need to get going on the drivers A pillar. For the moment however, guitar amps have my attention!
Don _________________ Better and better mistakes! |
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9960 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:24 am Post subject: Re: Jimmy V’s 54 Oval Project |
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sunroof wrote: |
Fantastic! This is all work I am going to have to do to mine. The heater cables are stuck in the tubes. I put the TR6 into a friends garage last night so I would have room this winter to work on the chassis in comfort. But first I need to get going on the drivers A pillar. For the moment however, guitar amps have my attention!
Don |
Very cool to have time for other interests. I barely squeeze a few hours out during the week for mine. But, really, I would probably sit on the couch and take a nap, if there was anything more than what I have! Maybe I am better off not having very much!
Stay tuned! This weekend, if life permits, I will be removing and replacing the throttle cable tube, possibly the choke tube and possibly the clutch tube. I can see the throttle cable tube has decayed, the others I need to inspect a little bit more.
Sounds like we should be seeing some more updates soon! _________________ Jimbo
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
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67rustavenger wrote: |
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9960 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:11 pm Post subject: Re: Jimmy V’s 54 Oval Project |
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Update time once again! Got in another 8 hours! It was a solid session of making stuff better. I inspected the cable conduits really well and determined; that the throttle cable conduit and the fuel line needed to Be replaced. The other conduits were in good condition. So, onto it!
Here we go!
Looking down into the bottom of the tunnel, the throttle cable is retained at 3 points. I was able to reach them without cutting any new access holes. I was able to reach the clamps with a pry bar. I slowly wiggled the pry bar down into the clamp, spreading it open.
I then went to the exterior of the tunnel and ground the weld off of the tubing.
With everything loose, I slowly weaseled the conduit out of the tunnel. Check this out!
The other end of the tube is still attached to the clutch conduit and choke conduit. Right between the two. To get it out, is a job.
First, this is the starting point.
I need to get that protective sleeve off of the conduit run. You can see the clutch conduit sticking out of the sleeve, under the body seal plate. Here is a close up.
Started it by drilling out the spot welds.
Then hit it with an air chisel.
I then noticed that the flare at the end of the sleeve is larger than the opening in the sheet metal which I am trying to free. Turned my attention to the sleeve. Looks like one spot weld and it should pull off.
Ground off the spot weld and pulled on the shield, it did not budge. So, I got my large pry bar and placed it right at the seam and tapped it with a hammer. Movement!
Free!
The shield pretty much fell off as I was pulling off the sleeve.
With the conduits exposed, I ground down the welds as best able to and started to wiggle the remaining segment. It finally cracked!
I then stuck my radiator hose tool into the conduit and pushed and pulled the piece, until it finally came out!
And finally, it gave up!
I then pulled the coiled tubing from the box and straightened it out. I proceeded to mimic the bend at the front of the conduit.
I then slide it in, weaving it into the retainers at the interior of the tunnel.
With it all the way to the rear.
I squeezed the retainer back down onto the conduit and welded it into place.
Then back into the tunnel, where I retightened the retainer around the conduit.
Done with that one, onto the fuel line.
The fuel line is held in place. It is not welded at the retainers. No where along the run is this conduit welded. Funny stuff I never knew!
So, to get the old fuel tubing out, I had to get creative, as the retainers were super tight. The tubing will push through the retainer, but not the rust. So, I cut the tubing as close to the retainer as I could and hammered out the remnant piece.
Like this! The retainer has an unwelded seam!
Pulled out the roll of tubing and cut a segment off.
I then threaded it into the retainer. Perfect fit!
Had to cut a small triangular piece out of the tunnel bottom to access this retainer.
See the tubing going through.
Then the retainer in the middle.
Then, utilizing the previously cut fork, I push, bent, pulled and pried the new fuel tubing through the fork.
And then I pulled it out of the opening on the top of the fork.
With the tubing sticking out the back, I turned my attention to where it needs to exit the tunnel at the front.
Utilizing that front access hole, directly in back of the Nap Hat, gives me access to the area by the pedals and the area in back of the frame horn. And there it is, the fuel line!
I then pushed the line all the way forwards, till it came out the inspection cover hole. Cut off this piece from the roll I had and returned to the rear of the car To pull out the line, back to the Access hole I made, so I can bend the tubing, to help get it through the exit hole.
I then returned to the front, bent the end of the conduit at a 45 angle and weaseled it past the e-brake conduits. It has to curve under these and then stick out the tunnel. Spent a lot of time, pulling a small amount, bending it, pulling, bending, on and on. Until finally, the tubing cleared the adjacent conduits, cleared the tunnel and exited the front hole!
I then worked my way back to the rear, tightening up the clamps and bending the conduit to enter the fork nicely, without rubbing on anything!
Excess at the rear. Better too long than too short!
Cut, recent and pushed back into the tunnel!
Looking down into the fork.
With the new line installed, I wanted to add a rear tubing support, within the fork, to keep the tubing from bouncing around inside there loose. So, I added a support in each fork and secured the tubing within each one.
I then checked the fit of the previously removed pan and made some cuts to ease in alignment. There, perfect!
Tacked that side in and went to the other side.
Then welded the two of them up.
Also, welded up a rust hole in the fork.
With all of that installed, I moved onto buttoning it back up. First, prepared the front access hole. Ground it down to clean steel and shot some weldable primer onto the surfaces.
Same with the cover. Also, had to hammer this one flat again.
Laid into place and welded! Keep catching the seam sealer from the pan install on fire.
Then over to the triangular piece.
It was then time to stop, clean up and return to the family! Until next weekend! _________________ Jimbo
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
TDCTDI wrote: |
Basically, a whole bunch of fuckery to achieve a look. |
67rustavenger wrote: |
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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Buggeee Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2016 Posts: 4408 Location: Stuck in Ohio
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9960 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Jimmy V’s 54 Oval Project |
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Buggeee wrote: |
That's a lot to get done in one day. It will be a satisfying feeling to install the cables through that conduit. |
Agreed! That Is what happens when no one is home making cookies in the Kitchen! But, I do miss not having cookies, when I walk inside the house! It is a blessing and a curse. But I would rather her sell a house or two! _________________ Jimbo
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
TDCTDI wrote: |
Basically, a whole bunch of fuckery to achieve a look. |
67rustavenger wrote: |
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9960 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: Jimmy V’s 54 Oval Project |
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Purchased a set of early Pop-Out windows for the 54!
Thank you Robinson! _________________ Jimbo
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
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Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:32 am Post subject: Re: Jimmy V’s 54 Oval Project |
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Nice! _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9960 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: Jimmy V’s 54 Oval Project |
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Chickensoup wrote: |
Nice! |
Yep! Pop Outs, to me, are one of the best improvements one can make to their Bug. So easy to install, especially the later years, and such a huge improvement in airflow!
Thanks for following my madness! _________________ Jimbo
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
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Joey Samba Member
Joined: August 12, 2005 Posts: 5366 Location: Nova Scotia - Canada
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: Jimmy V’s 54 Oval Project |
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VW_Jimbo wrote: |
Yep! Pop Outs, to me, are one of the best improvements one can make to their Bug. So easy to install, especially the later years, and such a huge improvement in airflow! |
Totally agree! _________________ Joey
‘60 Kombi - '74 Bus - '79 Panel - '65 Beetle |
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Joined: December 22, 2016 Posts: 4408 Location: Stuck in Ohio
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9960 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Jimmy V’s 54 Oval Project |
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Buggeee wrote: |
Popouts make you feel like a rockstar! |
Yes they do! _________________ Jimbo
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9960 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:22 am Post subject: Re: Jimmy V’s 54 Oval Project |
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mdege wrote: |
I am surprised, that someone in California would put up with this much rust. Great work! |
Me too! I often get a car home and almost cry. But it is what I enjoy doing. That rebuilding of the body is the challenge. _________________ Jimbo
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9960 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:26 pm Post subject: Re: Jimmy V’s 54 Oval Project |
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Had the full day to work on the Bug. But, Scot, my neighbor was having issues with his 79 Camper Bus.
He has had it at 2 different shops and they have been turning stuff to try and get it running okay but have not been successful. The shops say that they work on old VWs but we all know the truth.
I taught him how to perform a compression check and then we went about setting the basics. During the setting, right before, I found 3 good size vacuum leaks. We fixed those. Being suspect of the work performed by others, I checked the vacuum hoses against the sticker. Nothing was connected correctly! How do mechanics, with shops, perform this level of work, and expect to remain in business!?!? Damn!
Bottom line. Got it running well. Timing was set almost 20 degrees advanced. How? Why? Idle speed was incorrect. I can only imagine they were just trying to get it running, to get it out of their hair.
After messing with the neighbors Bus, I got back to the Bug! Started by checking the conduit runs, by running cables through them all.
Then flipped the pan over and finished welding up the holes I had cut into the bottom.
Finished that all up. Primed it and was going to clean up and weld the jack points in and that’s when the wife showed up with some Coconotorious Beer! Had to stop and have one or two!
_________________ Jimbo
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
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Ricksurfin Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2017 Posts: 295 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:01 am Post subject: Re: Jimmy V’s 54 Oval Project |
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There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
Come on Jimbo, if you’re going to do it right, you need three or four with what you’ve been through on that car! Lol |
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9960 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:59 am Post subject: Re: Jimmy V’s 54 Oval Project |
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Ricksurfin wrote: |
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
Come on Jimbo, if you’re going to do it right, you need three or four with what you’ve been through on that car! Lol |
Thanks brother! It is definitely not my first rodeo! Been on one or two of these beasts over the years. Heck, if the Samba had been around in the 1980s, I would have started posting my restorations then. Will be well over 15 full pan off restorations, not to mention the flips to just get rid of a great buy, or a gift.
Enjoy the story man! It is one of 4 decades of loving these cars! _________________ Jimbo
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
TDCTDI wrote: |
Basically, a whole bunch of fuckery to achieve a look. |
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GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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Ricksurfin Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2017 Posts: 295 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:22 am Post subject: Re: Jimmy V’s 54 Oval Project |
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Definitely enjoying the story, and look forward to each post. What you are doing is so far beyond my skill set, that I marvel at what you’re accomplishing. |
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