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ImAddicted
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 Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:51 pm Post subject: Cleaning experts - stain removal from leather |
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Reaching out to the chem experts here (Ray? Jason?), my better half got some industrial food-service quaternary sanitizer leaked out onto leather seat. Any idea on what to do to get it out?
This stuff: MSDS sheet https://www.nasscoinc.com/assets/pdf/CLEAN_QUICK_B...-40_EN.pdf
I haven’t tried anything as I don’t want to screw it up worse. Thanks.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: Cleaning experts - stain removal from leather |
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Are we discussing real dead animal skin?, or a pseudo leather made from space age polymers?
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ImAddicted
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| Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: Cleaning experts - stain removal from leather |
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real dead, tastes-like-hamburger animal. I has to double-check to verify before posting the question. Unfortunately, it’s not synthetic:(
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: Cleaning experts - stain removal from leather |
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if that's dried, I am going to say it's done a few things...one is loosened/altered the fibers in the hide...is that stain smooshy/hard? if so, the pigment probably seeped deeper into the hide. hate to say it, there is no coming back from that
at best you can get someone to re-dye that spot, but it will always have a blemish in the shape of the stain....meaning a hard/soft/raised/depressed spot
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busdaddy
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| Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: Cleaning experts - stain removal from leather |
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You can try taping a pad over it and keeping it wet with water, it might eventually dilute the chemical and draw it out, or not, some plastic over the pad will keep it from drying up.
But I agree with Skills, I doubt it's ever going to be exactly like the surrounding area.
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ImAddicted
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| Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: Cleaning experts - stain removal from leather |
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You can try taping a pad over it and keeping it wet with water, it might eventually dilute the chemical and draw it out, or not, some plastic over the pad will keep it from drying up.
But I agree with Skills, I doubt it's ever going to be exactly like the surrounding area. |
Thank you both, kinda confirmed my fears. It is dry, didn’t change the texture of the hide, only the appearance. I have occlusive dressings that I can seal over a wet pad to make airtight and see if that draws anything out. If I understood the MDSD correct, it is water soluble so that might improve things.
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busdaddy
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| Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: Cleaning experts - stain removal from leather |
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You can try taping a pad over it and keeping it wet with water, it might eventually dilute the chemical and draw it out, or not, some plastic over the pad will keep it from drying up.
But I agree with Skills, I doubt it's ever going to be exactly like the surrounding area. |
Thank you both, kinda confirmed my fears. It is dry, didn’t change the texture of the hide, only the appearance. I have occlusive dressings that I can seal over a wet pad to make airtight and see if that draws anything out. If I understood the MDSD correct, it is water soluble so that might improve things. |
Can't hurt to try (unless Ray comes along and shoots that idea down in flames), maybe after it's almost gone you can re dye that seat to even out the color?
You might want to ask a few high end detail shops, what happens when the second or third trophy wife spills her $2K a bottle fragrance or wrinkle cream on a seat in the new supercar?, they likely have some creative ways of dealing with mystery spots on genuine leather. 
You may not be able to afford their services, but bring some donuts and they may loosen up with a few insider tips for the DIY'r.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: Cleaning experts - stain removal from leather |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: Cleaning experts - stain removal from leather |
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Call a POISON CENTER or doctor/physician if you feel unwell
IF ON SKIN (or hair): Remove/Take off immediately all contaminated clothing. Rinse skin
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IF INHALED: Remove to fresh air and keep at rest in a position comfortable for breathing |
I would not want to sit on that if it is a seat.
Ray will know more but those chemical descriptions from the MSDS look like chloride salts of Ammonia to me. If so you might be able to get a wet vac, rubber gloves, build a dam with a towel laying in saran wrap, and use a little water at a time to dissolve the salts and the vac to pull the water and salts off. Let dry a while and do it again. According to the MSDS water is used to dilute it it gets in the eyes etc, and wiki labels salts of ammonia and chlorine as highly dissolvable in water. Use distilled water so not to add minerals. The hard part may be getting all out that has sunk into the leather. If someone sweats and touches it, any remaining chemical may burn their skin according to the MSDS. Neutralize probably with a small touch of baking soda and water when done because ammonia-chlorine salts are mildly acidic.
You can also call the company that makes it and ask them.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:52 am Post subject: Re: Cleaning experts - stain removal from leather |
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Call a POISON CENTER or doctor/physician if you feel unwell
IF ON SKIN (or hair): Remove/Take off immediately all contaminated clothing. Rinse skin
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IF INHALED: Remove to fresh air and keep at rest in a position comfortable for breathing |
I would not want to sit on that if it is a seat.
Ray will know more but those chemical descriptions from the MSDS look like chloride salts of Ammonia to me. If so you might be able to get a wet vac, rubber gloves, build a dam with a towel laying in saran wrap, and use a little water at a time to dissolve the salts and the vac to pull the water and salts off. Let dry a while and do it again. According to the MSDS water is used to dilute it it gets in the eyes etc, and wiki labels salts of ammonia and chlorine as highly dissolvable in water. Use distilled water so not to add minerals. The hard part may be getting all out that has sunk into the leather. If someone sweats and touches it, any remaining chemical may burn their skin according to the MSDS. Neutralize probably with a small touch of baking soda and water when done because ammonia-chlorine salts are mildly acidic.
You can also call the company that makes it and ask them. |
I agree...you dont really want to sit and sweat on that. The main ingredient and some of the sub-ingredients...mainly benzyl dimethyl ammonium chloride...and other chlorides....salts= corrosive ....lots of other chemical synonym names.
It can cause skin burns. Doing some quick reading of that chemical family they do not absorb that well into water so water alone is not excellent for getting it out. But...you will notice from the SDS sheet that ethanol is in it. Thats because it dissolves very well in ethanol.
The whole product is listed as a corrosive in the SDS...but states the PH is only 6-8...which is not corrosive. But....as the chemical dries and separates out....the individual chemicals are most likely corrosive.
So find some ethanol (not any other kindof alcohol)....I would try about 50% ethanol with distilled water. Add just a little white vinegar to bring the PH down to slightly acidic ...maybe 5 PH.
Let it soak a little and blot it off...repeat. So where do you get ethanol?...liquor store. Get the smallest bottle of ever clear or similar. You may be able to get it at home depot.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:29 am Post subject: Re: Cleaning experts - stain removal from leather |
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Call a POISON CENTER or doctor/physician if you feel unwell
IF ON SKIN (or hair): Remove/Take off immediately all contaminated clothing. Rinse skin
with water/shower
IF INHALED: Remove to fresh air and keep at rest in a position comfortable for breathing |
I would not want to sit on that if it is a seat.
Ray will know more but those chemical descriptions from the MSDS look like chloride salts of Ammonia to me. If so you might be able to get a wet vac, rubber gloves, build a dam with a towel laying in saran wrap, and use a little water at a time to dissolve the salts and the vac to pull the water and salts off. Let dry a while and do it again. According to the MSDS water is used to dilute it it gets in the eyes etc, and wiki labels salts of ammonia and chlorine as highly dissolvable in water. Use distilled water so not to add minerals. The hard part may be getting all out that has sunk into the leather. If someone sweats and touches it, any remaining chemical may burn their skin according to the MSDS. Neutralize probably with a small touch of baking soda and water when done because ammonia-chlorine salts are mildly acidic.
You can also call the company that makes it and ask them. |
I agree...you dont really want to sit and sweat on that. The main ingredient and some of the sub-ingredients...mainly benzyl dimethyl ammonium chloride...and other chlorides....salts= corrosive ....lots of other chemical synonym names.
It can cause skin burns. Doing some quick reading of that chemical family they do not absorb that well into water so water alone is not excellent for getting it out. But...you will notice from the SDS sheet that ethanol is in it. Thats because it dissolves very well in ethanol.
The whole product is listed as a corrosive in the SDS...but states the PH is only 6-8...which is not corrosive. But....as the chemical dries and separates out....the individual chemicals are most likely corrosive.
So find some ethanol (not any other kindof alcohol)....I would try about 50% ethanol with distilled water. Add just a little white vinegar to bring the PH down to slightly acidic ...maybe 5 PH.
Let it soak a little and blot it off...repeat. So where do you get ethanol?...liquor store. Get the smallest bottle of ever clear or similar. You may be able to get it at home depot.
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Thank you, Ray. I greatly appreciate your input, and have always held you in high regard for your knowledge and willingness to assist everyone. It's people like you, Busdaddy, Aeromech, SGKent, Notchboy, Skills, Clatter, etc. that make the Samba an awesome community.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:31 am Post subject: Re: Cleaning experts - stain removal from leather |
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thanks!
By the way...no guarantee on this one. Hopefully all I can say is that maybe you can neutralize it this way. I fear that skills is right that you may take some of the dye out with it.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: Cleaning experts - stain removal from leather |
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Follow up - Everclear with a little white vinegar worked pretty well. There’s some slight discoloration still as suspected but significantly less than there was, can see it if know where to look in certain light. Thank you all for the input.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: Cleaning experts - stain removal from leather |
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try to wipe it out with baby oil. I had a lot of success with all kind of greasy stains.
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