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Adriel Rowley
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 Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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Then after supper, added the parking lamp spades. These German brass spade connectors are so much better and easier to use than the American steel spades. Get what you pay for, though didn't cost all that much more.
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Next replenishment I will look for the German brass connectors.
I have made a lot of connections, wiring cars, boat, campers, etc., etc. But I never never had one look as nice as that one in your picture.
Could you describe your method, and tools used? |
Made a special trip over to the garage to get you a picture of the jaws. See how have two sizes for each crimp? This is part of how to get the double crimp.
This is the exact kit I have and has served me well for many, many, years. Nice thing is can get other jaws, like for spark plug wire crimps.
https://smile.amazon.com/Tool-Aid-18920-Ratcheting...amp;sr=8-1
Also, need the correct spades with the double tabs. This is the 1/4 inch size, also have 1/8 inch size too, plus piggybacks.
https://belmetric.com/6-3mm-uninsulated-spade-16-14-gauge-with-tab/
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| By the way, I think the shiny chrome lights on the patina paint fits right in with today's patina trends, looks good. |
Thank you.  Maybe needs all the brightwork to be about the same level. 
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Dad's 1964 Beetle purchased September 1968.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9252810#9252810
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Adriel Rowley
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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Similar story.
My dear old Dad would tie a knot in his handkerchief (when they were in vogue and men wore hats and opened doors for ladies) to remind him to not forget to do something. Unfortunately when I asked him what the knot was for he’d often reply “I can’t remember now!”…😞 |
Some folks still open doors for ladies and wear hats. This was taken by a friend at her home. Sadly the bowler was crushed by someone helping me pack, bet if re-blocked it be a favorite again.
And then my summer hat.
I also have several flat caps, a Panama (so two summer hats), and a Western hat with patina, had it for over 20 years, many memories and through many rains (I can't stand hoods). Like to add a snap brim, however, hard to find.
One of my other hobbies is alterations, sewing, upholstery, and sewing, so think part of it, in addition to being raised by grandparents. Took this picture myself, by the way. If wondering, I am ambidextrous, born left handed, forced to be right handed, and mostly switched back to left handed (far more comfortable).
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9252810#9252810
1971 Sunroof Squareback with Fuel Injection
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=219811&highlight=squareback+rejuvenation |
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Pruneman99
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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I barely have skills, entirely self taught with a few videos and only welded galvanized conduit
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You don't want to be welding on galvanized metal. It will release some really toxic fumes that can destroy your life and/or kill you.
I'll look up.a info source.
Here:
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Buggeee
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Adriel Rowley
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Adriel Rowley
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 6:56 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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| Thank you Adriel, I have ordered the correct crimping tool. |
Glad to help. Fantastic.
Just hit me, have the spring loaded wire stripping tool? Inherited Dad's and gave my old wire stripper to my brother, he didn't have anything at all (gave him a lot of my tools as had more than plenty and he was just starting out). Makes it so easy to strip wired.
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Dad's 1964 Beetle purchased September 1968.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9252810#9252810
1971 Sunroof Squareback with Fuel Injection
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=219811&highlight=squareback+rejuvenation |
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Buggeee
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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| Thank you Adriel, I have ordered the correct crimping tool. |
Glad to help. Fantastic.
Just hit me, have the spring loaded wire stripping tool? Inherited Dad's and gave my old wire stripper to my brother, he didn't have anything at all (gave him a lot of my tools as had more than plenty and he was just starting out). Makes it so easy to strip wired. |
Yep. And I had a ratcheting crimper too, just not with those jaws. This will make it easy.
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| Every setback is an opportunity to learn stuff and to buy new tools. |
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Adriel Rowley
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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| Adriel Rowley wrote: |
| Buggeee wrote: |
| Thank you Adriel, I have ordered the correct crimping tool. |
Glad to help. Fantastic.
Just hit me, have the spring loaded wire stripping tool? Inherited Dad's and gave my old wire stripper to my brother, he didn't have anything at all (gave him a lot of my tools as had more than plenty and he was just starting out). Makes it so easy to strip wired. |
Yep. And I had a ratcheting crimper too, just not with those jaws. This will make it easy. |
I was not sure where you were at or how many know of either. Not only make it easy, make it possible. 
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Dad's 1964 Beetle purchased September 1968.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9252810#9252810
1971 Sunroof Squareback with Fuel Injection
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=219811&highlight=squareback+rejuvenation |
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Adriel Rowley
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Double checked, smooth wheel is being used.
Though there was some kind of sticky black schmutz on the other wheel, did remove and clean.
Did a few practice beads, looking good, so moved to welding the battery tray in.
There was some splattering and trouble with getting nice welds, I thought it was the weld through primer (being never used it before, should have tried it on scrap, lesson learned). Unbeknownst to me, I welded for about an hour, an example how unaware of time I am. "Hey Dad, it's supper time, time to go home."
Got out, went to the tank to shut off, and the gas valve had failed and shut off!  That explains this mess.
I am surprised no one ever got a tank with a bad valve or had any other issue with a purchase from a weld shop. I will already be going by tomorrow morning, so think best to take the tank in person so can lay hands directly and also see I am not upset, just want to have it fully functional. Plus, then he will know who I am.
Realized the only way to patch, despite what I was told, is to butt weld. I already royally messed up the battery tray, not willing to spend $200 and time putting in another, it is what it is. Better than the 1/4 inch plate used before with about half inch high contaminated welds, this time be water tight unlike before.
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Dad's 1964 Beetle purchased September 1968.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9252810#9252810
1971 Sunroof Squareback with Fuel Injection
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=219811&highlight=squareback+rejuvenation |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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Did you get your cylinder from a gas supplier?
I would have taken that back the first time I tried to open the valve.
My gas supplier is three blocks away. So I wouldn't even hesitate.
If you think your battery tray weld look terrible. You shoulda seen my first attempt, using a rented flux core machine 20+ years ago.
Little bits of wire sticking from the welds everywhere.
Take heart in the fact that all that work will be hidden from sight.
The thing with dogs is, they feel your aura, feelings, weather you are feeling well or not.
They are a comfort to have around when you can spend time with them and let them get to know you and you to them.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 11:03 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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| So if [you] have the 140, then what settings are you using for 18 gauge/1,2mm, like the floor pans, please? |
I'm not using it for body sheetmetal, I think I have .030 in it right now. But I dug up some panel scrap from a '76 Bay window so I can get it ready to zap. I woulda tacked some today but it's been raining like a mother non-stop over here, and I really prefer to cut and grind metal OUTside. I will see what settings work for that metal and post up, at least you'll have another data point.
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Mike Fisher
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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| So if [you] have the 140, then what settings are you using for 18 gauge/1,2mm, like the floor pans, please? |
I'm not using it for body sheetmetal, I think I have .030 in it right now. But I dug up some panel scrap from a '76 Bay window so I can get it ready to zap. I woulda tacked some today but it's been raining like a mother non-stop over here, and I really prefer to cut and grind metal OUTside. I will see what settings work for that metal and post up, at least you'll have another data point. |
Change out the 3 position voltage switch in your 125 for the 5 position voltage switch in a 140.
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Busstom
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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| So if [you] have the 140, then what settings are you using for 18 gauge/1,2mm, like the floor pans, please? |
I'm not using it for body sheetmetal, I think I have .030 in it right now. But I dug up some panel scrap from a '76 Bay window so I can get it ready to zap. I woulda tacked some today but it's been raining like a mother non-stop over here, and I really prefer to cut and grind metal OUTside. I will see what settings work for that metal and post up, at least you'll have another data point. |
I misspoke, my Handler is loaded with .035 at the moment. So here's how .035 does with V (voltage) set at 2, wire speed about 26. Going left to right, no trials, just going in cold, first a few tacks, then a half inch bead, then all in to see where it blows out, with increasing trigger time there's full penetration. Your 125 should do about the same with voltage at 1 or 2 and .023 wire.
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Adriel Rowley
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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Did you get your cylinder from a gas supplier?
I would have taken that back the first time I tried to open the valve.
My gas supplier is three blocks away. So I wouldn't even hesitate. |
The trouble is Ruby is my only vehicle and only two folks are able to help provide transportation, hate asking, especially one as older and very busy. Now looking back, totally agree, if get another tank with a too tight valve or not at 1800PSI, don't do anything but take it back. The only employee is super nice, did come off a bit abrasive, though once understood asking questions to gain detailed information to put on the report, then all was fine.
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If you think your battery tray weld look terrible. You shoulda seen my first attempt, using a rented flux core machine 20+ years ago.
Little bits of wire sticking from the welds everywhere. |
Oh my.
Not bragging, just saying been told have a gift for welding. When there is a series of steps, takes me a couple times to remember, apparently this isn't normal. Welding is just that, series of steps.
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| Take heart in the fact that all that work will be hidden from sight. |
Except on the underside.  (Being silly, as how many folks get down on their hands and knees to look at the underside of a vehicle.)
Seriously, good point, appreciated.
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The thing with dogs is, they feel your aura, feelings, weather you are feeling well or not.
They are a comfort to have around when you can spend time with them and let them get to know you and you to them.
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A lot do, some are too lacking brains to be able to.
What I don't understand is how some dogs can know blood sugar is low and some can't.
Daithi adopted me over six years ago and still learning about him. Shadow been here just a week over six years and the same, plus teaching me a few things (training goes both ways).
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Dad's 1964 Beetle purchased September 1968.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9252810#9252810
1971 Sunroof Squareback with Fuel Injection
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=219811&highlight=squareback+rejuvenation |
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Adriel Rowley
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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| Adriel Rowley wrote: |
| So if [you] have the 140, then what settings are you using for 18 gauge/1,2mm, like the floor pans, please? |
I'm not using it for body sheetmetal, I think I have .030 in it right now. But I dug up some panel scrap from a '76 Bay window so I can get it ready to zap. I woulda tacked some today but it's been raining like a mother non-stop over here, and I really prefer to cut and grind metal OUTside. I will see what settings work for that metal and post up, at least you'll have another data point. |
I heard the West coast was getting a lot of rain, much needed especially California.
Why prefer grinding outside?
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| Adriel Rowley wrote: |
| So if [you] have the 140, then what settings are you using for 18 gauge/1,2mm, like the floor pans, please? |
I'm not using it for body sheetmetal, I think I have .030 in it right now. But I dug up some panel scrap from a '76 Bay window so I can get it ready to zap. I woulda tacked some today but it's been raining like a mother non-stop over here, and I really prefer to cut and grind metal OUTside. I will see what settings work for that metal and post up, at least you'll have another data point. |
I misspoke, my Handler is loaded with .035 at the moment. So here's how .035 does with V (voltage) set at 2, wire speed about 26. Going left to right, no trials, just going in cold, first a few tacks, then a half inch bead, then all in to see where it blows out, with increasing trigger time there's full penetration. Your 125 should do about the same with voltage at 1 or 2 and .023 wire.
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This is very appreciated, thank you!
Interesting how the only difference from what I was using: V set to 2 and wire speed of about 20 (unless filling a hole or dealing with pitted steel, then knock down to 1 and about 15). About 0,75cm/3/8 inch bead was about the maximum.
Does a thicker wire allow for a hotter weld (higher wire speed if understanding correctly or haven't reversed)?
Edit. Okay, quick cursory explains a thicker wire is hotter than a smaller, as feeding more amperage to the sheet metal.
My guess then be going up to a 30 wire mean the voltage have to come down to 1 and still risk blowing holes in pits more. Correct?
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Dad's 1964 Beetle purchased September 1968.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9252810#9252810
1971 Sunroof Squareback with Fuel Injection
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Busstom
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2023 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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Stick with .023, you base wire size on the thickness of material you're welding.
.030 is for thicker material/more penetration, you don't need that.
Adjust your wire feed speed, stickout, and torch angle to the job, every job and every machine and every welder person is different. That's why I emphatically implore every person to NOT practice and learn on their project, find comparable scrap and dial things in first. Start with the guidelines posted on the lid of your machine and adjust from there to dial in the job.
I don't like to cut and grind in the garage because all of the metal and abrasive dust lands in/on my Bus, my tools, my engine parts, my roll-aways, my....etc., etc., you get the picture
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Adriel Rowley
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2023 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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Well Steve, I finally understand your signature... 
Out of commission today, been feeling achey and icky, no sniffles or other symptoms, so not sure what to make of it.
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Stick with .023, you base wire size on the thickness of material you're welding.
.030 is for thicker material/more penetration, you don't need that. |
Just trying to take up the opportunity of generous help.
Okay, thanks for confirming to stick with the 0.023" size.
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| Adjust your wire feed speed, stickout, and torch angle to the job, every job and every machine and every welder person is different. That's why I emphatically implore every person to NOT practice and learn on their project, find comparable scrap and dial things in first. Start with the guidelines posted on the lid of your machine and adjust from there to dial in the job. |
Darn, there is a bug in the Samba:
Well, too late... I hope and believe will work out. 
[quote="Busstom"]tourch angle when working in a really confined space, like the back outside corner under the heater duct?
See how "How do you adjust" becomes "[quote="Busstom"]"? So weird! Even when delete and re-submit, does it. Tried four times with the same results!
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| I don't like to cut and grind in the garage because all of the metal and abrasive dust lands in/on my Bus, my tools, my engine parts, my roll-aways, my....etc., etc., you get the picture |
Oh dear, didn't think about that.  Better clean the inside of the engine case haves real well. Didn't think it be like dust and travel. Good thing the interior is out of Ruby, otherwise have permanent metal dust.
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Dad's 1964 Beetle purchased September 1968.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9252810#9252810
1971 Sunroof Squareback with Fuel Injection
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=219811&highlight=squareback+rejuvenation |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:58 am Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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One thing worth mentioning too, is to make sure you have the correct diameter tip in the gun when changing wire sizes.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:19 am Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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With every wire size, you need at least the amount of voltage not takes to melt the wire. With thicker wire, that extra heat goes into the surrounding base metal, which causes you to blow through. Simply put, thinner wire will allow you to use less voltage, and better manage the heat you put into the part.
Nice work on this car, I appreciate the family history; no amount of money can buy that.
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