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PostPosted: Yesterday 6:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle Reply with quote

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Three because one from the left front corner of the engine bay I understand from the wiring diagram is to the ignition switch, the one to the starter, and the one going forward under the parcel shelf coming out from under the original undisturbed tar board.


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Red goes to the regulator.

Black cable to positive of battery.

Non-stock green wire that should be red going to the top of the starter solenoid is from ignition switch.
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PostPosted: Yesterday 6:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle Reply with quote

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Okay, so how does the wire on the underside run up and into the engine compartment and get to the generator?


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Hole that should have grommet.


Appreciate the photograph! Very Happy

Hmmm, the wire doesn't look long enough to reach the generator. Are you sure there are three wires on the terminal?

Three because one from the left front corner of the engine bay I understand from the wiring diagram is to the ignition switch, the one to the starter, and the one going forward under the parcel shelf coming out from under the original undisturbed tar board.
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PostPosted: Yesterday 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle Reply with quote

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Hey Eric, installing the boot, noticed does have the option for heater controls.
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Those slits are to allow one to adjust the cable nuts without having to pull the boot all the way off. Pattern of texture of the boot is too early of style, but it wil work


Ah! Well, Dad never installed the boot so never saw the slits being used. Appreciate knowing this, will cut them and install the boot knowing can adjust through the holes. Very Happy

I wondered about the texture, thanks for letting me know it is an early style boot (if understanding you correctly).

What about the red wire under the parcel floor?
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PostPosted: Yesterday 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle Reply with quote

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Okay, so how does the wire on the underside run up and into the engine compartment and get to the generator?


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Hole that should have grommet.
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PostPosted: Yesterday 6:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle Reply with quote

Okay, need some help with the emergency brake cables, please.

Learned something, just because the cables feel tight at the handle does not mean they are tight, had to take the boot off and tighten. Or tried, passenger side was not tightening.

I thought maybe the shoes, found a difference of 0,25mm end to end and 0,5mm between the thickness of the shoes, so swapped the thickets shoe on the driver side (adjusters were significantly further out than the passenger side) to the passenger side.

That led discovering back in February 2020 or so, apparently didn't install this bar. Shocked d'oh! Rolling Eyes Sometimes I wonder how I am able to do anything at all when so stupid. So now on the hunt for the bar and original spring.
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Jack, who has posted here on this thread, when sending him the pictures, not only is the passenger side cable's spring section too long, both sides are too long.
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Taking some measurements, the passenger axle is further forward, anything wrong with moving it back say 1,0 to 1,5cm to shorten the emergency brake cable?


Jack is super busy, except when going between LA and Sandy Eggo, so we talked then and was a big help with getting things done. Thank you! Very Happy

During the call, got done:
Installing the foam gasket for the fuel tank, the trick is the temporary foam adhesive, took about 10 minutes. It is too big, think do as Jack does and use foam weatherstripping if a next time.
And installed the tank sender. That was lots of fun. Wink

After the call, got the dash lightbulbs all installed.

This leaves for the 6 volt conversion:
Repairing the headlight wiring and install the headlight bulbs so the headlights can be installed (for both, waiting on a friend to provide).
Find a suitable 6 volt relay and replace the 12 volt starter relay under the hood (the one under the vehicle is a 6 volt, not changed when converted to 12 volts).
Installing 6 volt engine components, think all there is is choke, coil, and generator. Or does the oil pressure switch also need to be changed?
And purchase a 6 volt battery.
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PostPosted: Yesterday 6:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle Reply with quote

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Hey Eric, installing the boot, noticed does have the option for heater controls.
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Those slits are to allow one to adjust the cable nuts without having to pull the boot all the way off. Pattern of texture of the boot is too early of style, but it wil work
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PostPosted: Yesterday 6:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle Reply with quote

Hey Eric, installing the boot, noticed does have the option for heater controls.
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Two red wires to the regulator.


When I am in the mental and cognitive state I am in, can't see on the diagram where these wires run and more than one red wire, did try before asking on here.

Okay, so how does the wire on the underside run up and into the engine compartment and get to the generator?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle Reply with quote

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Two red wires to the regulator.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle Reply with quote

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I should have opened the package, turns out it was so dusty it looked grey. d'oh! Shocked Laughing
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If you have the twin heater levers on either side of the parking brake lever, that will not work for your beetle.


Thank you. Very Happy

Interesting, I thought 1965 was the first year for dual levers, didn't know a mid year change. Ruby is somewhere between early and mid, as has the knob heater control, wide plate lamp housing, and the larger turn signal housings (though as of now running the 1968 housings and lenses so the turn signals are visible from the side for added safety).
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle Reply with quote

Long day, stayed well after supper time.

Found the passenger side axle seal is leaking. This is why I didn't tighten the axle nuts before adding oil.
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How worn out am I? Forgot when you take the axle cap off, oil will come gushing out. Thankfully able to grab the funnel within reach and only a small amount on the garage floor. Then didn't know what to do with the funnel and how to get back into the bottle, so clamped to a box.
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I saw there was rust on all four surfaces of the axle cover, found a really worn out piece of fine grit dry/wet sandpaper, sanded the face with the paper on a laminate surface. then wiped down the gasket and axle cover with denatured alcohol to get rid of any contamination.
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While waiting for the oil to drain out of the axle, removed the fuel tank outlet, seems in the mess of my house being stolen, forgot to put a new sock in after doing the tank seal. Not totally sure, the sock looked red and mostly plugged, may explain the dribble out the tank outlet. I am glad the leak happened, I be wondering why the engine would not run or run lean. Wire brushed the threads until shinny, though just in case, installed a new outlet kit with a thin layer of Reinzosil. What I don't understand is how the hose is cracking in just about a year or two of time.
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Then spent about an hour and a half fighting the foam gasket, I have trouble with time awareness. Should have stuck to the plan of using temporary fabric adhesive. I think part of the issue is the inner driver fender well is slightly pushed in at the forward corner of the tank, the tank will not go strait down, must have the corner inserted.

Went back, wiped off the oil, wiped down the backing plate with denatured alcohol, and installed the axle cap and gasket with a very thin layer of Reinzosil to take up any imperfections. Tightened down the bolts, let the Reinzosil cure before final torquing tomorrow.

Adjusted the rear brake shoes to almost tight. The driver side adjusters are binding on the tab springs, so pulled out and adjusted with my hands. Driver side is one and a half turns out where the passenger side is not adjusted out any.

By this time, absolutely knackered so didn't dare adjust the parking brake cables, too fiddly for when one's blood sugar is low.

Anyone know where this wire goes?
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Should this electrical wire going to the starter have a lug for the 6 volt regulator?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle Reply with quote

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I should have opened the package, turns out it was so dusty it looked grey. d'oh! Shocked Laughing
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If you have the twin heater levers on either side of the parking brake lever, that will not work for your beetle.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 6:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle Reply with quote

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Eric&Barb wrote:
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Okay, so for the later Beetles?


Later? As in post 1967 then no, as in after 1960 yes.


As post 1964. Seems to me a lot of changes were made in the 1965 model. So 1960 was the first year to have grey boots?


After 1960, as in not in 1960. Before that the 1958-60 boot is different narrow shape.

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There was grey before 1961 model year, but not quite as light a grey or shiny. Also 1965 was first year for the dual heater controls coming out of the parking brake boot.


I should have opened the package, turns out it was so dusty it looked grey. d'oh! Shocked Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle Reply with quote

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Okay, so for the later Beetles?


Later? As in post 1967 then no, as in after 1960 yes.


As post 1964. Seems to me a lot of changes were made in the 1965 model. So 1960 was the first year to have grey boots?


After 1960, as in not in 1960. Before that the 1958-60 boot is different narrow shape.

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There was grey before 1961 model year, but not quite as light a grey or shiny. Also 1965 was first year for the dual heater controls coming out of the parking brake boot.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:29 am    Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle Reply with quote

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Okay, so for the later Beetles?


Later? As in post 1967 then no, as in after 1960 yes.


As post 1964. Seems to me a lot of changes were made in the 1965 model. So 1960 was the first year to have grey boots?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:14 am    Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle Reply with quote

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Okay, so for the later Beetles?


Later? As in post 1967 then no, as in after 1960 yes.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:29 am    Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle Reply with quote

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I'm reading along too, just don't want to clutter the thread up with unnecessary replies.


Thank you for this great point. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:29 am    Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle Reply with quote

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I was debating whether to update this thread with such minuscule progress, especially so few read it, however, decided to.


I think you'd be surprised how many readers/followers of your thread you have. Smile


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Thank you both for pointing this out. Very Happy

In about a 24 hour period last week, it was 116. I seem to recall far more, maybe my expectations are too high, including expecting help. Probably doesn't help that with this super busy world we live in, I spend more time with folks online than in life, though have not had enough to keep in touch with all the forums and groups I belong to.

By the way, regarding help, my dear friend in Oregon has concerns about information provided here on the forum, I said well you have not been available, and now is very available, have had more emails back in forth I think in the last year. We both have mildly abrasive personalities, however, this has oddly made for a great friendship.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:20 am    Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle Reply with quote

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I was debating whether to update this thread with such minuscule progress, especially so few read it, however, decided to.

I also got the parking brake button/rod back in and the cables tightened so hopefully doesn't come out again.

What is odd is the nuts are over half way down the thread and they are new cables. Hopefully last more than a year, hate to have to replace frequently.


Sounds like you need to loosen the nuts then adjust the rear brakes. After that adjust the nuts on the brake again


Jack, I am back to running on fumes, so my mind is barely working. Now you mention it, I remember I didn't have the shoes tight enough. Have to look at what Tram specified all that time ago.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:19 am    Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle Reply with quote

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Has anyone seen from the factory a grey parking brake cover? I have it, was in the stash of parts Dad had, so going to use it.


Yes, defintely.


Okay, so for the later Beetles?
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I'm reading along too, just don't want to clutter the thread up with unnecessary replies.
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