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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: Barn find Westy SO42 Reply with quote

Great work! Looks really good!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Barn find Westy SO42 Reply with quote

Nice keep it up.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:10 am    Post subject: Barn find Westy SO42 Reply with quote

Quarantine Time Updates:

spending a lot of time after work and on the weekends in the garage these days, with no where else to go. so here are some updates:

cleaned the cargo floor with W &G , mixed up a batch of white epoxy primer to paint the cargo floor and get the welds sealed up.
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proceeded to fit the Cab Floor which went very well after some trial fitting. we decided to cut it into 2 pieces to surround the steering Column since the steering wheel would not budge with my puller, the puller was trying to destroy the wheel, so cut the floor with the Plasma cutter into 2 pieces, and weld it back up. actually went very well.

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special thanks goes out to my buddy John the welder, he has been doing a fabulous job on the bus, he is putting in as much time as I have been:

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scuffed with a red pad,cleaned with wax and grease remover and coated with epoxy primer as well:

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reassembled the front end, steering knuckles with new king pins, link pins, new tie rod ends, drag link, and even adjusted the steering box an centered the steering wheel.

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then we attacked the Corner, been holding off on this project mostly out of fear, getting the alignment right and just didn't want to make any mistakes, so we did pretty well, much welding to do as it is only tacked for now but it looks pretty good to me:


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running the temporary engine on the floor for some hours to check for leaks, set the valves and tune up stuff while its out.

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back to work...

until next time.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:44 pm    Post subject: Re: barn find westy so42 Reply with quote

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Can you divulge what kind of welder are you using and at what settings?


MrPolak, yes, we are using a Lincoln PowerMig 140C with a 75/25 argon/co2 mix, running a .024 wire with wire speed generally around 2 ,2.25, 2.5 and voltage at D D1/4 D1/2 up to E depending upon the thickness of the metal. the PowerMig is a 120v 90 amp unit, nothing too fancy but it really does a nice job on clean sheet metal body panels.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:21 pm    Post subject: Re: barn find westy so42 Reply with quote

Can you divulge what kind of welder are you using and at what settings?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:41 pm    Post subject: Re: barn find westy so42 Reply with quote

Time for an update: since It looks like i'll be hanging out in the garage in my evenings;

I sand blasted the front wheel wells , just to clean things up so I could see how well the seams turned out, looked good sprayed some Epoxy on the front beam and on the wheel well, I will re spray the wheel wells white, after front end is back together

pulled the torsion bars, replaced the Seals, and got the Sway bar back on, that is really a fun job

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got the drivers side floor Welded in, that KF floor is a little bit stiffer than the WW floor that I used on the Passenger side. the WW floor is fine, just thinner gauge than the KF.

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attached the Drivers Side A pillar and installed the Dog Leg, I think it turned out really well. it Lines up nice with the door , gaps are good and im happy with the fit:

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:36 pm    Post subject: Re: barn find westy so42 Reply with quote

Thanks so much for the detailed description. I guess I thought you were trying to strip the paint back to original, I appreciate the advice anyway! Cheers
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:53 am    Post subject: Re: barn find westy so42 Reply with quote

velvetgreen wrote:
nice job on paint stripping- can you get in to a bit more detail on how you are working the razor blade? Are you pulling or pushing the blade? Do you put some lubricant or other prep on paint before so that it doesn't dig in to OG paint etc etc?


when Stripping Paint with a Heat Gun / Razor Blade you will remove all paint down to the Original Primer. it will not save the OG paint.

I use the Hand Held Razor blade On Edge, pushing the blade itself has to be very Flat to the surface and it will move right thru the paint once the surface is warm enough to lift. you have to heat the paint surface and keep the heat gun ahead of your blade and paint just peels off.

I am using 3 different Blade holders , short one for starting on radius portions, long handles for Long runs. hard part is holding the blade flat enough to get the paint, if you are working over a body line ( such as the perimeter line around the bus) the blade wont get flat enough so you have to come back down to it.



I wanted to save the OG paint but this bus has 2 paint jobs on top of the OG L87 Pearl white, so there was really no other way to save the OG , since it has repairs on both rear corners and various other spots.

I suppose somebody could have put the time in to save it, but it has so many little rust spots into the paint, I felt it was time to remove it. I am in the Midwest so if this was a Western bus things might have been different.

in this photo I started low on the door and pushed up to the perimeter body line, I left the few strips intact so you can see how it lifts the paint
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this photo shows how it is hard to get into round , deep spots

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thanks..
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:41 am    Post subject: Re: barn find westy so42 Reply with quote

nice job on paint stripping- can you get in to a bit more detail on how you are working the razor blade? Are you pulling or pushing the blade? Do you put some lubricant or other prep on paint before so that it doesn't dig in to OG paint etc etc?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:27 am    Post subject: Re: barn find westy so42 Reply with quote

progress updates:

been stripping paint with a Heat Gun and a Razor Blade. it works pretty good but you have to change razor blades as they get ragged quickly.

I have 3 different razor tools and keep rotating them out til I wear the blade out. as the blade gets ragged it scratches the metal which will take a little bit of sanding to remove.

so start out with a box of 100 razor blades and switch them out often. once you get going it moves along quickly, sure beats using chemical strippers or trying to find a media blaster


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this week I swapped out the drag link and felt like attacking the Swing Lever bushing and pin project. whew that's fun but thanks to the Samba I was able to find proper procedures:


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lower bushing was really worn as you can see the Pin was awful and the bushing had a lip around it where it was wearing.

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reamer in action:

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next up:

reassemble the front spindles, link pins , tie rod ends , so I can get the bus on the floor to roll out and do some sandblasting

install front floor, left side cargo floor, blast the rusty seams and get some epoxy primer on this thing.

cheers..
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:24 am    Post subject: Re: barn find westy so42 Reply with quote

Left side Work:

remove Rocker Panel, inner Rocker, floor sections , Left Dog Leg, 2 outriggers and top hats.

rusty rear top hat / outrigger / jack point

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floor cutting

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pile o metal:

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new b pillar and uprights:

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progress Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:19 am    Post subject: Re: barn find westy so42 Reply with quote

Yes, restoring a Westy is an adventure. Missing pieces are costly and rarely come up. Early Westy's are a whole other story. I'm conflicted with the cooler... one the one hand its nice to have when camping but it also makes it much roomier (especially in a walkthru) to take it out.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:13 am    Post subject: Re: barn find westy so42 Reply with quote

Cargo Floor and short rocker welding:

we welded up the drain hole for the sink, since I don't have one and it's unlikely I would find one for a reasonable price. yikes these Westy parts are very dear!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:05 am    Post subject: Re: barn find westy so42 Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:17 am    Post subject: Re: barn find westy so42 Reply with quote

Im liking how you are getting after it all. And, doing it the right way. We will be watching.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:14 am    Post subject: Re: barn find westy so42 Reply with quote

Yea! Keep up the good work. Popcorn
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:13 am    Post subject: Re: barn find westy so42 Reply with quote

Nice Score !!!!!! Lots of Westy info here on thesamba.
Looks like you did the "Vermont thing" and have Vt. plates on the oval
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:02 am    Post subject: Re: barn find westy so42 Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:58 pm    Post subject: Re: barn find westy so42 Reply with quote

well, I haven't posted in awhile, so I thought it time for an update:

I sold off the 56 sedan for a good price and focused on the 57 ragtop,

had to rebuild the fuel pump, the 58 PCI carb, did the basic tune up stuff plugs points condenser, adjusted valves, cleaned the fuel line and added a new fuel tank and added a new 6volt battery.

got it running and after a bit of tweaking was surprised! it started right up and was running quite nice. I put some brakes on and continued to get it into some kind of condition so I could get it out of my way... I needed the garage space. Smile

I wanted to focus on the SO42 bus , since that was my goal at the beginning of this project.

with the 57 running I moved them to a friends barn for storage and proceeded to begin the bus project .

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with the bus in the garage, I began cleaning , power washing and removing the years of crud and sand.

this bus had been used as a runner on the beach on the Current River at Van Buren Missouri, the owner hadn't even processed the Title or registered license plates, it was just ran on the beach for a few years , taking people down to the beach and back from their property.

so I don't even think it was ran on the highways while in his possession .


my first thought was to pull the engine, and get the running gear in order First, before beginning any body work of any sort. well that seems to have been sidetracked a bit.

I pulled the engine, which is a Factory replacement block, with no numbers other than an "H" but has Single Port heads and all the rest of the goodies that would have been on the original 1500,.

after a leakdown test it was determined that this engine was not going to be good to go any time soon.

at that point I pulled the engine out of the 61, which had a 1974 1600 dual port with mostly original stuff ( heck it even still had the original EGR stuff ), except the Fywheel and generator which had been replaced with 6 volt parts so as to work in the 61.

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this engine with a leak down test and compression test proved to be healthy.

after some cleaning, valve adjustment , oil change and normal tune stuff I was able to run this engine on the garage floor. I was amazed it would run this good after sitting in a barn for 20 years but heck , it is a Volkswagen !

so original plan was to put engine in, get it running to determine if the Bus Transaxle was any good. My concern was that this Bus had been ran on the beach in the sand and gravel with not much care. the transaxle boots were both torn and after draining the gearbox , I realized it was about half capacity. so a bit low, but I didn't get any sand so that was positive.

so , on to brakes because , well it had sat for 20 years right ?
new master cylinder, wheel cylinders, brake shoes , wheel bearings, turned brake drums as normal.

so I decided to replace the Shocks while i'm at it and maybe the Tie Rods while i'm in there.

well while removing the Driver side shock I BREAK the Stud off of the Control arm, yes , bust the threads right off of the stud. well this bus has sat for 20 years so Every bolt thread from here on out has to be addressed as a Rusty curmudgeon.

well , it had a kinda loose king pin on the driver side , so I thought I might just go ahead and pull the Spindles and see what was going on and how I was going to resolve the Shock Stud in the Control arm.

I made a phone call to a friendly SAMBA member whom Rebuilds King Pins and he mentioned that he had spare Control arms . nice. as I was prepared to find a machine shop that could pull the pin and replace.

sent off the Complete spindles for him to rebuild where necessary:

pics of the old king pins, I thought there was a bit of play , note the rusty king pin !

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so after a nice rebuild with new german parts weeks later i'm on my way, I still haven't installed them at this point :

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so,... on to some background work:

this is the M code stuff :

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other body pics :

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I started to cut out the right side rocker panel and floor to begin repairs:

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and I will say that I am very thankful to the SAMBA folks before me whom have made these repairs and have posted their process, it has been very helpful and inspirational as well.


we cut out the rocker, inner rocker, and decided that an outrigger and top hat were also in order as well as rear wheelhouse front section , B pillar and C Pillar as well as 11" section fo floor to follow:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:50 am    Post subject: Re: barn find westy so42 Reply with quote

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Can you post a photo of how the table top clips to the floor at the wall area when you get a chance?


BarryL,

as for the Table details, table top has a solid brass male piece that would press fit into a female spring portion or something but the female part is missing. it might be in one of the cabinets, I have found a few pieces in the cabinets, while I was ripping out the old shag carpeting.
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Wow, thanks. You can see where it was screwed to the floor. I hope you find the female part and hopefully the little piece of elevation wood.
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