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lojoma Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2012 Posts: 233 Location: Memphis
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:48 am Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? |
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All done under the car now...here's the final pic with undercoating applied to try to match the rest of the underside...I hope once there is road dirt on there, it will blend in pretty well. |
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lojoma Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2012 Posts: 233 Location: Memphis
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? |
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First coat of POR under car. |
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lojoma Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2012 Posts: 233 Location: Memphis
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Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:27 am Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? |
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thomas. wrote: |
If you want to sell the rear vents that are on the old pans I would purchase. I only need one but would buy both. The guy I bought my beetle from figured he wouldn't need the heater stuff since he wasn't driving in the cold weather. |
My old heater outlet is too far gone to reuse, sadly, or I'd put it back on myself. I'm in the market for one, too. |
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lojoma Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2012 Posts: 233 Location: Memphis
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Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:26 am Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? |
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VW_Jimbo wrote: |
Your weld looks like you are welding it too cold. You might want to turn the heat up a little bit. It will also flatten out your puddles, so less grinding. |
Agreed, but when I went hotter it kept blowing out the old metal. |
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thomas. Samba Member
Joined: July 31, 2010 Posts: 1291 Location: South West (Pa.)
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Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:03 am Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? |
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I've used seam sealer from Summit Racing & also from Eastwood. I think they were Sem brand & they worked fantastic.
If you want to sell the rear vents that are on the old pans I would purchase. I only need one but would buy both. The guy I bought my beetle from figured he wouldn't need the heater stuff since he wasn't driving in the cold weather. |
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9966 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? |
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Your weld looks like you are welding it too cold. You might want to turn the heat up a little bit. It will also flatten out your puddles, so less grinding. _________________ Jimbo
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lojoma Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2012 Posts: 233 Location: Memphis
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? |
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Apologies for using someone else's photo, but I downloaded this a long time ago and now can't recall where I got it on Samba.
Does anyone have a good source for original-form tar boards that go around the battery area as shown in the photo? |
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lojoma Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2012 Posts: 233 Location: Memphis
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? |
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Inside is now done. Now I have to move under the car. Turned out pretty good, I think. That little bit of red in the upper right is a photo artifact...I think it's a reflection of a red tarp I have on the driver side. |
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bluebus86 Banned
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 11075
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Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? |
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riverart wrote: |
We just did this job last week. Your welds look better than mine - eesh! We used some sealer (Dynaflex)from Lowes and a caulking gun. It dried well and then I used Rustoleum rust treatment paint over that and finally used Frost King to help with the road noise. |
Dunaflex is an acrylic latex, not a urethane. It will not hold up as well as a urethane. I am not saying it wont work, but Urethane is superior in this application _________________ Help Prevent VW Engine Fires, see this link.....Engine safety wire information
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viiking Samba Member
Joined: May 10, 2013 Posts: 2668 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? |
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bluebus86 wrote: |
am not a fan or POR 15 cause top coats have issues with sticking to it, I dont know how sealers stick to POR 15, you may need to sand or use the tie coat they seal under the sealer, suggest you contact POR15 for advice on that.
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riverart Samba Member
Joined: September 20, 2017 Posts: 51 Location: Pomona
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Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:31 am Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? |
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We just did this job last week. Your welds look better than mine - eesh! We used some sealer (Dynaflex)from Lowes and a caulking gun. It dried well and then I used Rustoleum rust treatment paint over that and finally used Frost King to help with the road noise. |
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bluebus86 Banned
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Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:17 am Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? |
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3M is a good product. SEM does too. You want a Urethane sealer, Not all aurobody sealers are waterproof. Some are cheaper, full of fillers such as clay that absorb water. They may be sold as suitable for trunks and interior, places that dont get wet. Do NOT use these. even inside where you dont expect water, they are simply a cheap product, your Bug deserves the best, get a Urethane, a water proof urethane. I usually put this over paint for double protection, then paint over the sealer for good looks.
I am not a fan or POR 15 cause top coats have issues with sticking to it, I dont know how sealers stick to POR 15, you may need to sand or use the tie coat they seal under the sealer, suggest you contact POR15 for advice on that.
Water proof Uerthanes can be had at auto body supply stores, or you may try urethane sealers sold at hardware stores, so long as water proof and paintable. dont use acrylic nor silicone sealers here
for tight seams a brushable sealer can be used, for bigger gaps the caulking gun type can be used.
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andk5591 Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2005 Posts: 16758 Location: State College, PA
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Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:15 am Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? |
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We usually use 3m, but have had good results with some other brands..Just don't recall what they are. _________________ D-Dubya Manx clone - 63 Short pan,1914.
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lojoma Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2012 Posts: 233 Location: Memphis
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Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:28 am Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? |
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Is there a specific seam sealer recommended? Thanks. |
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bluebus86 Banned
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 11075
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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? |
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lojoma wrote: |
This is a butt joint, not a lap joint, unless I'm missing what you mean. My understanding was to have the metal as clean as possible before welding.
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oh, my eyes is bad, thought it was a lap joint.
The weld thru primer is a paint, a rust resisting paint with high zinc content for galvanic protection. It can be welded over. it is very useful for areas that are lapped, or inaccessible after welding. It welds nicely.
A seam sealer is good to use here on both sides, as it seals seams, since it is flexible, it wont crack. Paint is not a substitute for seam sealer as paint is much more susceptible to cracking in this situation, and wont fill gaps well, if it does fill them it may later crack and open up the metal to rusting.
Good to see a weld job here rather than a short cut!
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andk5591 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? |
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When you are done, POR-15 or something similar and then a couple layers of something like Peel and Seal to protect it from future damage. _________________ D-Dubya Manx clone - 63 Short pan,1914.
Rosie 65 bug - My mostly stock daily driver.
Woodie 69 VW woodie (Hot VWs 7/12).
"John's car" 64 VW woodie - The first ever
Maxine 61 Cal-look bug - Cindy's daily driver.
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lojoma Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2012 Posts: 233 Location: Memphis
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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? |
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This is a butt joint, not a lap joint, unless I'm missing what you mean. My understanding was to have the metal as clean as possible before welding.
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bluebus86 Banned
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:04 pm Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? |
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I recommend a water proof seam sealer around the joint both top and bottom, a urethane seam sealer is good. This will prevent water ingress, and prevent rust from that. For future reference, a weld thru rust proof primer is desirable to protect inside the lap joint.
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lojoma Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2012 Posts: 233 Location: Memphis
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:32 pm Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? |
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I have not been able to work on her for a while, but I did get the battery tray from WW and I'm working on installing it. Here's about halfway done on the welding in the pic. I won't win any awards for my technique but I think it's solid at least. I have a lot of grinding to get them flattened out but, progress. |
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lojoma Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? |
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While I wait I thought I should check under the front, too. Little rust around the edges mostly. Will hit that next.
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