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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:48 am    Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? Reply with quote

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All done under the car now...here's the final pic with undercoating applied to try to match the rest of the underside...I hope once there is road dirt on there, it will blend in pretty well.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:08 am    Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? Reply with quote

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First coat of POR under car.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:27 am    Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? Reply with quote

thomas. wrote:

If you want to sell the rear vents that are on the old pans I would purchase. I only need one but would buy both. The guy I bought my beetle from figured he wouldn't need the heater stuff since he wasn't driving in the cold weather.


My old heater outlet is too far gone to reuse, sadly, or I'd put it back on myself. I'm in the market for one, too.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:26 am    Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? Reply with quote

VW_Jimbo wrote:
Your weld looks like you are welding it too cold. You might want to turn the heat up a little bit. It will also flatten out your puddles, so less grinding.


Agreed, but when I went hotter it kept blowing out the old metal.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:03 am    Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? Reply with quote

I've used seam sealer from Summit Racing & also from Eastwood. I think they were Sem brand & they worked fantastic.
If you want to sell the rear vents that are on the old pans I would purchase. I only need one but would buy both. The guy I bought my beetle from figured he wouldn't need the heater stuff since he wasn't driving in the cold weather.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? Reply with quote

Your weld looks like you are welding it too cold. You might want to turn the heat up a little bit. It will also flatten out your puddles, so less grinding.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? Reply with quote

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Apologies for using someone else's photo, but I downloaded this a long time ago and now can't recall where I got it on Samba.

Does anyone have a good source for original-form tar boards that go around the battery area as shown in the photo?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? Reply with quote

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Inside is now done. Now I have to move under the car. Turned out pretty good, I think. That little bit of red in the upper right is a photo artifact...I think it's a reflection of a red tarp I have on the driver side.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? Reply with quote

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We just did this job last week. Your welds look better than mine - eesh! We used some sealer (Dynaflex)from Lowes and a caulking gun. It dried well and then I used Rustoleum rust treatment paint over that and finally used Frost King to help with the road noise.


Dunaflex is an acrylic latex, not a urethane. It will not hold up as well as a urethane. I am not saying it wont work, but Urethane is superior in this application
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? Reply with quote

bluebus86 wrote:
am not a fan or POR 15 cause top coats have issues with sticking to it, I dont know how sealers stick to POR 15, you may need to sand or use the tie coat they seal under the sealer, suggest you contact POR15 for advice on that.
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I seam sealed over the top of POR15 previously with Polyurethane seam sealer and it hasn't moved.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:31 am    Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? Reply with quote

We just did this job last week. Your welds look better than mine - eesh! We used some sealer (Dynaflex)from Lowes and a caulking gun. It dried well and then I used Rustoleum rust treatment paint over that and finally used Frost King to help with the road noise.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:17 am    Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? Reply with quote

3M is a good product. SEM does too. You want a Urethane sealer, Not all aurobody sealers are waterproof. Some are cheaper, full of fillers such as clay that absorb water. They may be sold as suitable for trunks and interior, places that dont get wet. Do NOT use these. even inside where you dont expect water, they are simply a cheap product, your Bug deserves the best, get a Urethane, a water proof urethane. I usually put this over paint for double protection, then paint over the sealer for good looks.

I am not a fan or POR 15 cause top coats have issues with sticking to it, I dont know how sealers stick to POR 15, you may need to sand or use the tie coat they seal under the sealer, suggest you contact POR15 for advice on that.

Water proof Uerthanes can be had at auto body supply stores, or you may try urethane sealers sold at hardware stores, so long as water proof and paintable. dont use acrylic nor silicone sealers here

for tight seams a brushable sealer can be used, for bigger gaps the caulking gun type can be used.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:15 am    Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? Reply with quote

We usually use 3m, but have had good results with some other brands..Just don't recall what they are.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:28 am    Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? Reply with quote

Is there a specific seam sealer recommended? Thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? Reply with quote

lojoma wrote:
This is a butt joint, not a lap joint, unless I'm missing what you mean. My understanding was to have the metal as clean as possible before welding.

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oh, my eyes is bad, thought it was a lap joint.

The weld thru primer is a paint, a rust resisting paint with high zinc content for galvanic protection. It can be welded over. it is very useful for areas that are lapped, or inaccessible after welding. It welds nicely.

A seam sealer is good to use here on both sides, as it seals seams, since it is flexible, it wont crack. Paint is not a substitute for seam sealer as paint is much more susceptible to cracking in this situation, and wont fill gaps well, if it does fill them it may later crack and open up the metal to rusting.

Good to see a weld job here rather than a short cut!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? Reply with quote

When you are done, POR-15 or something similar and then a couple layers of something like Peel and Seal to protect it from future damage.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? Reply with quote

This is a butt joint, not a lap joint, unless I'm missing what you mean. My understanding was to have the metal as clean as possible before welding.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? Reply with quote

I recommend a water proof seam sealer around the joint both top and bottom, a urethane seam sealer is good. This will prevent water ingress, and prevent rust from that. For future reference, a weld thru rust proof primer is desirable to protect inside the lap joint.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? Reply with quote

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I have not been able to work on her for a while, but I did get the battery tray from WW and I'm working on installing it. Here's about halfway done on the welding in the pic. I won't win any awards for my technique but I think it's solid at least. I have a lot of grinding to get them flattened out but, progress.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Best battery tray sheet metal? Reply with quote

While I wait I thought I should check under the front, too. Little rust around the edges mostly. Will hit that next.
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