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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:18 pm Post subject: LED replacement bulbs for Bay Window Transporters |
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I have changed out a few of my old incandescent bulbs for LEDs over the last few years and found that some are about right in brightness while others are a bit dim. Thought I would start a thread where others could post the sources and brands/part numbers of the LED bulbs they have had success with. |
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ivwshane Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 1920 Location: Sacramento ca
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs for Bay Window Transporters |
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I swapped all of my bulbs out to led several years ago. I purchased mine off of ebay so I won't be of much help. That being said, leds have advanced over the last couple of years so I would put more credence in answers from those that have recently upgraded. _________________ 77 westy 2.0 FI
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21520 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs for Bay Window Transporters |
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This should be an interesting thread! Lots of different small bulb solutions going on in the market these days.
I am kind of intererested to see different LED configurations people post. About as many are just the simple LED block/chip soldered to two wires. Some are domed or lensed. Others are very small arrays with multiple angles. Ray |
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telford dorr Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2009 Posts: 3555 Location: San Diego (Encinitas)
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:47 pm Post subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs for Bay Window Transporters |
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How about this?
http://flowcon.us/td/LedDashLightConversion (available 9am to 9pm, PST) _________________ '71 panel, now with FI
'Experience' is the ability to recognize a mistake when you're making it again - Franklin P. Jones
In theory, theory works in practice; in practice, it doesn't - William T. Harbaugh
When you're dead, you don't know you're dead. The pain is only felt by others.
Same thing happens when you're stupid. - Philippe Geluck
More VW electrical at http://telforddorr.com/ (available 9am to 9pm PST) |
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vwwestyman Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2004 Posts: 5688 Location: Manhattan, Kansas, USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:11 am Post subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs for Bay Window Transporters |
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I've tried LED replacement bulbs in a couple vehicles and haven't really liked any of them.
In the Thing, I bought a set of LED replacement headlights that are/were available in the classifieds and I fought them for 3 years. They would always blink a little bit, go from high to low beam when you hit the brakes and all sorts of weirdness.
I cleaned up wiring connections lots of times to no avail. Finally swapped in some regular H4/9003 bulbs and they work just fine.
Also tried LED taillights and had similar results. I swapped them into a couple different cars cause they weren't cheap, and didn't like them anywhere.
Perhaps they work fine if everything is perfect, but in my experience they are VERY sensitive to any wiring imperfections at a minimum. _________________ Dave Cook
President, Wild Westerner Club
1978 Champagne Edition Westy, repowered to '97 Jetta TDI
1973 Wild Westerner
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22manybugs Samba Member
Joined: March 30, 2006 Posts: 373 Location: Yorba Linda, Calif
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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:26 pm Post subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs for Bay Window Transporters |
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This isn't a bulb replacement, but here's the LED interior light fixture I installed:
Comparison to the original fixture:
When I got the bus, the PO had put in drop-in "wafer" card LEDs in both the dome light and interior light that were bright white. The dome light is okay because it's on only for short times, but the interior light was too jarringly white and unpleasant after any length of time.
I love this new interior LED fixture. It's warm white, it feels like a normal incandescent light. Either one side or both sides can be turned on (like the old fixture). The footprint is a little bigger, but it is thinner so I don't bonk things into it like the old one. This one fixture puts out a good amount of light; I might get another one of this same fixture to mount on the passenger side so I can reach in and turn it on from outside before climbing in the bus.
This is the brand, bought on Amazon. I bought just one, but it looks like they are sold in packs of 3 now. I definitely recommend this fixture:
"MICTUNING 12V LED RV Ceiling Double Dome Light Fixture 11.5 inches RV Interior Lighting with Switch for Trailer Camper (Warm White, Pack of 3)" _________________ Lon
1969 Karmann Ghia convertible
1971 Westfalia camper |
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Clementine79 Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2019 Posts: 320 Location: WA
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs for Bay Window Transporters |
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Ours is a tube type bulb and I do not like the color of the light at all, looking for interior LED that gives a warm yellowish glow like a table lamp in a home would. |
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KentABQ Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2016 Posts: 2406 Location: Albuquerque NM
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs for Bay Window Transporters |
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McintoshType2 wrote: |
[img]Ours is a tube type bulb and I do not like the color of the light at all, looking for interior LED that gives a warm yellowish glow like a table lamp in a home would. |
LED lighting comes in many colors. If you want more of the color of incandescent lights, look for "2800K" or "3000K" on the packaging. 4000K and higher are the really white lighting. _________________ -Kent-
1976 Riviera, 1.8l FI chrome yellow VAN - "Chloe"
"I must say, how can you be in a bad mood driving this vehicle full of vibrant color.
Cars of today are so bland in comparison. It's like driving a celebration!" ---WildIdea
Bus ownership via emoticons:
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aquarius Samba Member
Joined: July 10, 2011 Posts: 14 Location: Boston, MA, USA
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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs for Bay Window Transporters |
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I just found some LED replacement bulbs that improved the back-up lights on a '71 bus immensely. First, I cleaned out the reflectors and covered them with aluminum tape. Then, I installed these:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H54SP6O/ "LUYED 2 X 1700 Lumens Extremely Bright 1156 4014 102-EX Chipsets 1156 1141 1003 7506 LED Bulbs Used For Backup Reverse Lights,Xenon White"
They fit into the stock housings and are at least twice as bright as the incandescents. The beam pattern is fine, an even floodlight effect. Not every LED bulb is an improvement, but these are! |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50352
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:41 am Post subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs for Bay Window Transporters |
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Well here is my entry
It is an off the shelf aftermarket marker light used in conjunction with the stock bus marker lens. This particular aftermarket light lent itself to being hollowed out to fit the curvature of the bus sheet metal, but many others do not. The screwholes match perfectly, but you need to use screws long enough to go all the way into the metal of the body.
Sorry I do not know the brand and have not been able to find another that works as well, but will keep looking. |
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NASkeet Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 2958 Location: South Benfleet, Essex, UK
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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:35 am Post subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs for Bay Window Transporters |
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If you want to avoid impairing your night vision, it would be better to reduce the white-light intensity or use red LEDs which your night vision will see as black. _________________ Regards.
Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
Onetime member, plus former Technical Editor & Editor of Transporter Talk magazine
Volkswagen Type 2 Owners' Club (Great Britain)
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Auggie West Samba Member
Joined: December 17, 2006 Posts: 45
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:54 pm Post subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs for Bay Window Transporters |
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I love the above custom install by Telford dorr so much I just replicated it in my bus! Thanks for the post!
Here’s some of my other custom LED installs that I’m very fond of...
I believe if you click on the picture, it will take you to the gallery with the description...
_________________ Auggie
‘87 Vanaru Westy (Lola)
My new home!
Dual port 1600
'69 Westy (Pearl)
My former summer home, and has traveled to 31 states, mostly via the scenic route, so far... |
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mikedjames Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2012 Posts: 2743 Location: Hamble, Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:09 am Post subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs for Bay Window Transporters |
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vwwestyman wrote: |
I've tried LED replacement bulbs in a couple vehicles and haven't really liked any of them.
In the Thing, I bought a set of LED replacement headlights that are/were available in the classifieds and I fought them for 3 years. They would always blink a little bit, go from high to low beam when you hit the brakes and all sorts of weirdness.
I cleaned up wiring connections lots of times to no avail. Finally swapped in some regular H4/9003 bulbs and they work just fine.
Also tried LED taillights and had similar results. I swapped them into a couple different cars cause they weren't cheap, and didn't like them anywhere.
Perhaps they work fine if everything is perfect, but in my experience they are VERY sensitive to any wiring imperfections at a minimum. |
The flickering is a problem with LED arrays where they are simply a resistor and three LEDs in series - the LEDs drop about 10 volts, the resistor drops 2 volts at 12 volts in. If the voltage dips one volt to 11 volts with LEDs the current and brightness halves. With a filament bulb at worst it dims 8% .. so the brake lights were dipping the headlamps by drawing current from the dashboard area of the car making the voltage drop.
If you had fitted LED tail light bulbs the problem would be less.
A better system would involve a boost power supply feeding a longer chain of LEDS with a current limiting design - and more than 3 LEDs in series in the headlamps. Pay more and that is what you may find. Generally this more expensive solution is a little more efficient too.
The little dashboard LEDs have only one LED, so they dont flicker, the LED strips tend to flicker more as they use clusters of three LEDs again. _________________ Ancient vehicles and vessels
1974 VW T2 : Devon Eurovette camper with 1641 DP T1 engine, Progressive carb, full flow oil cooler, EDIS crank timed ignition.
Engine 1: 40k miles (rocker shaft clip fell off), Engine 2: 30k miles (rebuild, dropped valve). Engine 3: a JK Preservation Parts "new" engine, aluminium case: 26k miles: new top end.
Gearbox rebuild 2021 by Bears.
1979 Westerly GK24 24 foot racer/cruiser yacht Forethought of Gosport.
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NASkeet Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 2958 Location: South Benfleet, Essex, UK
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:25 am Post subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs for Bay Window Transporters |
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Auggie West wrote: |
I love the above custom install by Telford dorr so much I just replicated it in my bus! Thanks for the post!
Here’s some of my other custom LED installs that I’m very fond of...
I believe if you click on the picture, it will take you to the gallery with the description...
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Clicking on thr pictures will simply give one the links to the pictures themselves without any description, as follows:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2050442.jpg
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2050441.jpg
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2050439.jpg
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2050438.jpg
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2050437.jpg
Ideally, you need to include the gallery links as well. _________________ Regards.
Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
Onetime member, plus former Technical Editor & Editor of Transporter Talk magazine
Volkswagen Type 2 Owners' Club (Great Britain)
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BryanDC Samba Member
Joined: February 27, 2020 Posts: 2 Location: DC
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:05 am Post subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs for Bay Window Transporters |
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Hey guys,
I read the whole thread posted below which sort of deteriorated when people started fighting over whether the glow of incandescent was important to the VW experience.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=343154&highlight=dashboard+bulb
Never really got a good answer to my question so I’ll put it you.
I have a couple bulbs burned out. I don’t see any reason not to replace with LED. I’m particularly interested in replacing the high beam warning light with an LED because when it’s on at full blast it is barely visible. Just for fun I searched something like “1971 VW bus dashboard bulb” on amazon and got a bunch or options for LED’s which look a lot like the same base as my current old incandescent bulbs and they’re pretty cheap.
I know I’m not supposed to use them in the alternator warning light. Don’t care why. Let’s not start that discussion.
I wanted to be able to search for the actual part I needed so I could really see what my kelvin options were etc. I’m pretty sure that the key seems to be something in the phrase “168 T10” and most likely “T10” based on my limited knowledge of bulb names.
Does that sound right to you guys?
Also, can I just switch the bulbs out or do I need to jump through other hoops to make the bulbs happy?
I’m looking to get some 2700K type bulbs if I can but maybe I just accept what I can get. If anyone has learned anything new about buying dash LED’s lately I’d be happy to hear it!! Thanks guys! |
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telford dorr Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2009 Posts: 3555 Location: San Diego (Encinitas)
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:16 am Post subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs for Bay Window Transporters |
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BryanDC wrote: |
I’m particularly interested in replacing the high beam warning light with an LED because when it’s on at full blast it is barely visible. |
Apparently, that's by design. If you disassemble the light cluster, you'll find a black mask with a small hole in it blocking the HB indicator. Remove that, and it's just as bright as the other indicators.
_________________ '71 panel, now with FI
'Experience' is the ability to recognize a mistake when you're making it again - Franklin P. Jones
In theory, theory works in practice; in practice, it doesn't - William T. Harbaugh
When you're dead, you don't know you're dead. The pain is only felt by others.
Same thing happens when you're stupid. - Philippe Geluck
More VW electrical at http://telforddorr.com/ (available 9am to 9pm PST) |
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BryanDC Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:27 am Post subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs for Bay Window Transporters |
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Thanks Telford!! Good to know! I was really confused why the bulb seemed so bright from the back and dim from the front. Wonder why they did that. Knowing VW there was an excellent reason. |
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telford dorr Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2009 Posts: 3555 Location: San Diego (Encinitas)
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:35 am Post subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs for Bay Window Transporters |
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Maybe they wanted to match the dim gauge lighting...
One other thing: gauge illumination LEDs won't dim properly using the stock headlight switch dimmer (there are ways around that problem). And if you do retrofit a LED specific dimmer, LEDs and regular bulbs dim at different rates, so plan on using either one type or the other for ALL gauge illumination bulbs. _________________ '71 panel, now with FI
'Experience' is the ability to recognize a mistake when you're making it again - Franklin P. Jones
In theory, theory works in practice; in practice, it doesn't - William T. Harbaugh
When you're dead, you don't know you're dead. The pain is only felt by others.
Same thing happens when you're stupid. - Philippe Geluck
More VW electrical at http://telforddorr.com/ (available 9am to 9pm PST) |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50352
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs for Bay Window Transporters |
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BryanDC wrote: |
Wonder why they did that. Knowing VW there was an excellent reason. |
There was a time in this world when one could drive for hours at night and seldom see an oncoming car and having dim dash lights helped with maintaining good night vision. Today many states have so many reflectors along their roads that you can't maintain good night vision no matter what, so people are less apt to care about a bright high beam indicator light or other dash light shining in the eyes. |
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NASkeet Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 2958 Location: South Benfleet, Essex, UK
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:04 am Post subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs for Bay Window Transporters |
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telford dorr wrote: |
BryanDC wrote: |
I’m particularly interested in replacing the high beam warning light with an LED because when it’s on at full blast it is barely visible. |
Apparently, that's by design. If you disassemble the light cluster, you'll find a black mask with a small hole in it blocking the HB indicator. Remove that, and it's just as bright as the other indicators.
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I think I mentioned several years ago, the black mask with small square aperture for the headlamp main-beam tell-tale warning lamp, which I removed back in the early 1990s.
This will be superceded by one of the warning lights in my Lucas 60 mm diameter, 8-segment warning-light cluster. _________________ Regards.
Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
Onetime member, plus former Technical Editor & Editor of Transporter Talk magazine
Volkswagen Type 2 Owners' Club (Great Britain)
http://www.vwt2oc.net |
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