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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:13 am    Post subject: Barndoor popout frame Reply with quote

Can anyone help with the difference between the frames on barndoors and later splits ?

Thanks very much
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:12 am    Post subject: Re: Barndoor popout frame Reply with quote

The very early frames are solid without a rubber on them. They have catches like pre 53 quarter lights

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The next style the frame is the same as later split bus, but has a different tab for the catch

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When the catches changed to late split style the tab changed too

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:21 am    Post subject: Re: Barndoor popout frame Reply with quote

Cheers scotty, could you send a close up of the late barndoor tab please ?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:26 am    Post subject: Re: Barndoor popout frame Reply with quote

More information:
The "late" style started in early 1954 but I don't see the change listed in Progressive Refinements so I'm not sure of the exact chassis # or date.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Barndoor popout frame Reply with quote

EverettB wrote:
More information:
The "late" style started in early 1954 but I don't see the change listed in Progressive Refinements so I'm not sure of the exact chassis # or date.

So the deep skylight deluxe above displaying a late barndoor pop out is incorrect? I had thought the late barndoor frame started earlier than piano hinge vent wing busses ended. Guess not? Learned something new.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Barndoor popout frame Reply with quote

EverettB wrote:
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The "late" style started in early 1954 but I don't see the change listed in Progressive Refinements so I'm not sure of the exact chassis # or date.


My barndoor is Jan 54 so guessing I will just go late type.

Thanks for your help
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Barndoor popout frame Reply with quote

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More information:
The "late" style started in early 1954 but I don't see the change listed in Progressive Refinements so I'm not sure of the exact chassis # or date.

So the deep skylight deluxe above displaying a late barndoor pop out is incorrect? I had thought the late barndoor frame started earlier than piano hinge vent wing busses ended. Guess not? Learned something new.


No, it's correct.

To be clear:
By late style I mean this style, this is sometime in 1954-up:
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Barndoor popout frame Reply with quote

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EverettB wrote:
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The "late" style started in early 1954 but I don't see the change listed in Progressive Refinements so I'm not sure of the exact chassis # or date.


My barndoor is Jan 54 so guessing I will just go late type.

Thanks for your help


Unless I am remembering wrong, this Bus is from 1/54:
Edit: It's VIN # 20-073180, which is very early 2/54
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and it still has this style of popout:
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Barndoor popout frame Reply with quote

EverettB wrote:
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The "late" style started in early 1954 but I don't see the change listed in Progressive Refinements so I'm not sure of the exact chassis # or date.


In the Parts List I found the VIN for the latch change:

221 847 081 - up to ch # 20-76-673
221 847 081 A - from ch # 20-76 673
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:41 am    Post subject: Re: Barndoor popout frame Reply with quote

Has any one got a photo of a 1954 pop out catch
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:10 am    Post subject: Re: Barndoor popout frame Reply with quote

For 1954, it should look the same as these later "medium" size pop-out latches
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If there is something specifically "Barndoor" about these that is slightly different that I am not aware of, someone else should post the difference.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:19 am    Post subject: Re: Barndoor popout frame Reply with quote

Are these barndoor
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:14 am    Post subject: Re: Barndoor popout frame Reply with quote

Are those VW?

The black-knobbed Barndoor ones look like this example from a '53:
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Reproductions with more photos:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2282962

They are very similar to 59-61 Double Cab pop-out latches but the Double Cab mounting holes are slotted:
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:21 am    Post subject: Re: Barndoor popout frame Reply with quote

23 window mike wrote:
Are these barndoor
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They look like they will fit a later pop out frame, don't they?
The black knobs on the BD are a different shape, as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:52 am    Post subject: Re: Barndoor popout frame Reply with quote

Those look like Brazilian bus latches.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Barndoor popout frame Reply with quote

They look like Fleetline latches to me, those used in at least South Africa.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Barndoor popout frame Reply with quote

Ok thanks I have seen some advertised on here as barndoor
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:46 am    Post subject: Re: Barndoor popout frame Reply with quote

23 window mike wrote:
Ok thanks I have seen some advertised on here as barndoor


Yes, I see at least one ad running right now with them advertised as Barndoor latches.

This appears to be wrong
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:45 am    Post subject: Re: Barndoor popout frame Reply with quote

23 window mike wrote:
Ok thanks I have seen some advertised on here as barndoor


I have seen quite a few items listed as barndoor that definitely aren't. You have to be careful and make sure you know what you're buying
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:28 am    Post subject: Re: Barndoor popout frame Reply with quote

Yes I know thanks for that Scotty
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