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maco70
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 Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:06 pm Post subject: Propex HS 2211 less efficient: maintenance needed? |
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Hi to all,
I wonder to know if someones knows if we should clean or replace any parts of the Propex heater after several years of working ?
I have my HS 2211 installed under my vanagon since 6 years and I experimented recently that my heater worked all night without stop, and increased the temperature from 40 F (outside) to 60 F, which is few according to my frequent pass experiences
More, I was used to stop the Propex in the middle of the nights, because the temperature was getting too warm, but not this time. Even more, this time the Poptop was down, so less heat loss.
Many thanks in advance for your comments
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maco70
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: Propex HS 2211 less efficient : maintenance needed ? |
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Great idea, Dave !
Many thanks
Martin
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jimf909 
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:15 am Post subject: Re: Propex HS 2211 less efficient : maintenance needed ? |
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Post your findings here if possible. I'm interested to hear if it's LP regulator pressure or something else.
Thanks.
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
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Mike760
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:27 am Post subject: Re: Propex HS 2211 less efficient : maintenance needed ? |
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I would be interested as well.
I've got one under my van. Last weekend we camped and it unexpectedly got into the 30s. My propex really could not even take the edge off.
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Syncro Jael
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Propex HS 2211 less efficient : maintenance needed ? |
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I replaced my Propex HS2800 with a cheap diesel heater. I had no issues with the Propex but wanted to ditch my twin saddle tanks. I also did not like the huge temperature swing as it cycled on and off.
The Diesel heater fits the same footprint as the Propex, puts out considerably more heat, and is easier to fuel up. With a full season of winter camping of use, this was a good choice for my application.
Just an FYI.
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TopBud
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: Propex HS 2211 less efficient : maintenance needed ? |
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SycroJAel-
Can you post your build on that? I had it one time but can't find it. I have a syncro also and have been thinking about your diesel heater instead of a propex. I know that you did many tests, I just can't find the install write up. Thanks
Do you think the diesel heater would work with the MSR fuel canisters? I was told they would fit together and then I would be able to carry a few of those MSR fuel bottles.
https://www.msrgear.com/stoves/stove-accessories/msr-fuel-bottles/msr-fuel-bottles.html?
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dobryan
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Syncro Jael
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: Propex HS 2211 less efficient : maintenance needed ? |
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| TopBud wrote: |
SycroJAel-
Can you post your build on that? I had it one time but can't find it. I have a syncro also and have been thinking about your diesel heater instead of a propex. I know that you did many tests, I just can't find the install write up. Thanks
Do you think the diesel heater would work with the MSR fuel canisters? I was told they would fit together and then I would be able to carry a few of those MSR fuel bottles.
https://www.msrgear.com/stoves/stove-accessories/msr-fuel-bottles/msr-fuel-bottles.html? |
Yes, as was mentioned, you can use MSR fuel canisters to fill the tank for the diesel heater. Here is a link to the thread for my installation:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9184454#9184454
Cheers, Ron
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westyventures
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| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 12:09 am Post subject: Re: Propex HS 2211 less efficient : maintenance needed ? |
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| maco70 wrote: |
Hi to all,
I wonder to know if someones knows if we should clean or replace any parts of the Propex heater after several years of working ?
I have my HS 2211 installed under my vanagon since 6 years and I experimented recently that my heater worked all night without stop, and increased the temperature from 40 F (outside) to 60 F, which is few according to my frequent pass experiences
More, I was used to stop the Propex in the middle of the nights, because the temperature was getting too warm, but not this time. Even more, this time the Poptop was down, so less heat loss.
Many thanks in advance for your comments |
I'd recommend giving it a good cleaning with compressed air. I've seen a few where the duct routing wasn't done well and the heater fan was full of dirt and hair. You can verify regulator pressure using the method described here:
rverscorner.com/manometer.html
Pressure should be 11-12" while running. Also test the amp draw while running, it should be 1.9 amp. If considerable lower it would indicate a failing motor from dirt ingestion.
BTW, your local Propex guy - Frank Condelli - have you asked for his help? |
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westyventures
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| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 12:15 am Post subject: Re: Propex HS 2211 less efficient : maintenance needed ? |
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| Mike760 wrote: |
I would be interested as well.
I've got one under my van. Last weekend we camped and it unexpectedly got into the 30s. My propex really could not even take the edge off. |
Are you using recirculated interior air of drawing cold outside air to heat? I've seen a few folks make that mistake. These are recirculating heaters.
The other things mentioned above if it used to be better. If you do have it pulling return air from inside as it should be, check that the ducts are still securely attached at the heater, and for good measure wrap the connection with aluminum tape. Also, if you have a poptop, and it's raised during heating and uninsulated - that's the same as trying to heat a house with the doors open.
The 2211 in my personal Westy will maintain 70 degrees down into the teens, all stock insulation. |
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Mike760
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| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:26 am Post subject: Re: Propex HS 2211 less efficient : maintenance needed ? |
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| westyventures wrote: |
| Mike760 wrote: |
I would be interested as well.
I've got one under my van. Last weekend we camped and it unexpectedly got into the 30s. My propex really could not even take the edge off. |
Are you using recirculated interior air of drawing cold outside air to heat? I've seen a few folks make that mistake. These are recirculating heaters.
The other things mentioned above if it used to be better. If you do have it pulling return air from inside as it should be, check that the ducts are still securely attached at the heater, and for good measure wrap the connection with aluminum tape. Also, if you have a poptop, and it's raised during heating and uninsulated - that's the same as trying to heat a house with the doors open.
The 2211 in my personal Westy will maintain 70 degrees down into the teens, all stock insulation. |
I am recirculating air from under the bench.
After reading another of your post, I am thinking it might be worth trying a new regulator since I still have the original.
Appreciate all your info!
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maco70
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| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Propex HS 2211 less efficient : maintenance needed ? |
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Thanks Karl and all.
The Propex have been install by Frank Condelli, about six years ago, and i believe he did it properly.
Frank is far from where I am, so I haven’t write to him, yet, preferring this Forum for now.
My Propex HS 2211 have been install replacing the former stock Eberspacher using fuel, so the 2211 have been install using the stock duct and the stock floor step vent, seeing on Canadian model.
Following the reading of all your comments, now I believe it might be a recent problem occur or inside the box of the Propex HS 2211, or related to my propane tank arriving at the end (close to be empty soon).
Can I open the propex without fear, is it very simple to understand, what is inside, or complex and easy to break?
About the second option, the propane reservoir, could it be a problem with the regulator? Last time I replenish the reservoir, I only have been able to put 7 liters, instead of 10 liters as normal.
Thanks again to all.
Martin
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Mike760
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| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Propex HS 2211 less efficient : maintenance needed ? |
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| maco70 wrote: |
Can I open the propex without fear, is it very simple to understand, what is inside, or complex and easy to break?
Martin |
It's pretty simple. I replaced The blue plastic shroud on mine from shipping damage.
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flyboyaviator
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| Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:15 am Post subject: Re: Propex HS 2211 less efficient: maintenance needed? |
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| I would appreciate very much if you guys who have these Chinese diesel heater publish the brands you have used and links if possible. Thanks. |
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danfromsyr
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| Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:28 am Post subject: Re: Propex HS 2211 less efficient: maintenance needed? |
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Maybe take this question over the the Chinese heater thread instead of the OPS service question on Propex heater thread.
here's the link https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=703569
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| I would appreciate very much if you guys who have these Chinese diesel heater publish the brands you have used and links if possible. Thanks. |
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flyboyaviator
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| Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: Propex HS 2211 less efficient: maintenance needed? |
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the only reason I posted here was because tow guys use them, so rather that get many answers from others like you I was really expecting some the OPs here.
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Maybe take this question over the the Chinese heater thread instead of the OPS service question on Propex heater thread.
here's the link https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=703569
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| I would appreciate very much if you guys who have these Chinese diesel heater publish the brands you have used and links if possible. Thanks. |
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westyventures
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| Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: Propex HS 2211 less efficient: maintenance needed? |
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Not quite understanding how you feel Chinese diesel heaters are relative on a Propex maintenance thread? Oh, I see, hijackers are already here. I guess I'll comment on the next Westfalia thread how much better my XYZ cheap camper is better.  
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danfromsyr
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| Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: Propex HS 2211 less efficient: maintenance needed? |
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happens all the time here (and elsewhere on the web)
post a question or a problem and by post 3 or 4 everybody is telling you how great their other XYZ is or how bad they heard that one time a friends neighbor's daughter had an issue and never to buy/use/sell/look at said widget
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jimf909
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:22 am Post subject: Re: Propex HS 2211 less efficient : maintenance needed ? |
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| westyventures wrote: |
The 2211 in my personal Westy will maintain 70 degrees down into the teens, all stock insulation. |
I definitely don't get this kind of performance from my 2211.
Can temp from the propex output in the the van be used as a diagnostic? Last weekend I read 180 degrees (about 60 degrees ambient air temp) using a few different thermometers. Does that sound about right or should the temp be higher?
For this test I adjusted the regulator to maximum (turned the adjuster all the way clockwise). I do need to make the nanometer.
Thanks.
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