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TheFolksBackHome
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 Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:06 pm Post subject: Oil Drain Plate is an Absolute Mess...Weighing My Options |
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Hey all, first post here on TheSamba so please be nice  I have a 1976 Mexican Beetle and today I was doing some misc. tuneup work But when I went to change the oil I noticed that the oil drain plate looked like it had scraped on something and was all f@#%ed up! The outer lip was bent around 3 of the nuts so I couldn't access them with a socket and 2-3 of them were just filled in with what looked like silicone??? Oddly enough it doesn't leak oil  and actually runs pretty good! Will I have to take the engine apart to fix this or do you lovely VW people have any alternative suggestions (tap a drain plug?)
I don't really have the time or space right now to drop the engine and take it apart (and I'd rather not pay someone else to do it...where I am now honest mechanics are very very scarce)...looking for any and all suggestions! Ugly is ok as long as it works! Down here Beetles are still very much working cars- my Beetle ain't no show car, I just need her to work!
Love the forum BTW! Y'all have been super helpful with me getting my girl back on the road! |
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Frodge
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| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Drain Plate is an Absolute Mess...Weighing My Options |
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wayne1230cars
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| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Drain Plate is an Absolute Mess...Weighing My Options |
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http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=113115179
The part is available new or used. You need to remove the damaged one. Try an open end 10 mm wrench if you can’t get a socket on the nuts. Hopefully the studs are undamaged. The threads can get stripped out pretty easily if the nuts have been overtightened. The drain plate and strainer need to be straight and flat so that they will seal with the two gaskets. Shouldn’t need silicone for a leak free system.
Post some pics if possible.
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DesignBuild
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:16 am Post subject: Re: Oil Drain Plate is an Absolute Mess...Weighing My Options |
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| You indicated you are way down south? Where might you be? If you are in the Houston, TX vicinity, there are many that could help you. |
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:25 am Post subject: Re: Oil Drain Plate is an Absolute Mess...Weighing My Options |
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| DesignBuild wrote: |
| You indicated you are way down south? Where might you be? If you are in the Houston, TX vicinity, there are many that could help you. |
“Mexican Beetle”, “down south”, “down here Beetles are still working cars”. I’m thinking the OP is further south than Houston.
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d2305
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:16 am Post subject: Re: Oil Drain Plate is an Absolute Mess...Weighing My Options |
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| You could try an extractor to do oil changes until you figure out how to repair it. |
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TheFolksBackHome
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:44 am Post subject: Re: Oil Drain Plate is an Absolute Mess...Weighing My Options |
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| Any pictures? |
I'll try and get one or two today...can't make it to the lot til 12 or so |
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TheFolksBackHome
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:45 am Post subject: Re: Oil Drain Plate is an Absolute Mess...Weighing My Options |
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“Mexican Beetle”, “down south”, “down here Beetles are still working cars”. I’m thinking the OP is further south than Houston.[/quote]
Yep, I'm living in the wild and wonderful CDMX! |
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Cusser
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:46 am Post subject: Re: Oil Drain Plate is an Absolute Mess...Weighing My Options |
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| TheFolksBackHome wrote: |
| do you lovely VW people have any alternative suggestions (tap a drain plug?) |
Obviously the poster is directing his question to me.
I'd buy a cover for an earlier beetle that already has a drain plug, and install that cover any way I could get it not to leak. Because you'd drain through the new drain plug, you really wouldn't have a way to clean the screen, so I'd get an external oil filter or a combination Maxi2 pump/filter from CB Performance. I have those Maxi2 units on both my VWs, and the oil screen stays so clean that I don't look at that for YEARS.
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TheFolksBackHome
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:50 am Post subject: Re: Oil Drain Plate is an Absolute Mess...Weighing My Options |
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| wayne1230cars wrote: |
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=113115179
The part is available new or used. You need to remove the damaged one. Try an open end 10 mm wrench if you can’t get a socket on the nuts. Hopefully the studs are undamaged. The threads can get stripped out pretty easily if the nuts have been overtightened. The drain plate and strainer need to be straight and flat so that they will seal with the two gaskets. Shouldn’t need silicone for a leak free system.
Post some pics if possible. |
Thanks so much wayne, I'll see if I can swing by my local VW parts guy this week. Having a normal drain plug sounds so much easier than having to deal with all those + gaskets every oil change! (but I'm a VW newbie so...)[/quote] |
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TheFolksBackHome
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:00 am Post subject: Re: Oil Drain Plate is an Absolute Mess...Weighing My Options |
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| Cusser wrote: |
| TheFolksBackHome wrote: |
| do you lovely VW people have any alternative suggestions (tap a drain plug?) |
Obviously the poster is directing his question to me.
I'd buy a cover for an earlier beetle that already has a drain plug, and install that cover any way I could get it not to leak. Because you'd drain through the new drain plug, you really wouldn't have a way to clean the screen, so I'd get an external oil filter or a combination Maxi2 pump/filter from CB Performance. I have those Maxi2 units on both my VWs, and the oil screen stays so clean that I don't look at that for YEARS. |
You know I was wondering about that...I wasn't sure (because I've never seen it in person ) how necessary cleaning that screen was if I had an external filter...I think my parts warehouse has a good amount of the Maxis so I might go that route |
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73SlowBug
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:12 am Post subject: Re: Oil Drain Plate is an Absolute Mess...Weighing My Options |
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Since i installed an oil filter, there has never been any thing at all on the sump screen. I don't check it at every oil change any more. It's always nice and clean. I check it every other oil change or once a year to make sure everything is still pretty.
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TheFolksBackHome
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:15 am Post subject: Re: Oil Drain Plate is an Absolute Mess...Weighing My Options |
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| You could try an extractor to do oil changes until you figure out how to repair it. |
I might actually be getting one...I have a (as yet unsupported by concrete evidence) hunch that I'll have to clean the gas tank...maybe I'll just bite the bullet now and pick one up.
God bless a Beetle! Mine's old and cranky, but at least I can get to everything that needs fixing! I'm having a great time! |
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TheFolksBackHome
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:16 am Post subject: Re: Oil Drain Plate is an Absolute Mess...Weighing My Options |
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| 73SlowBug wrote: |
| Since i installed an oil filter, there has never been any thing at all on the sump screen. I don't check it at every oil change any more. It's always nice and clean. I check it every other oil change or once a year to make sure everything is still pretty. |
Beautiful. |
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scdevon
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:45 am Post subject: Re: Oil Drain Plate is an Absolute Mess...Weighing My Options |
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| You could try an extractor to do oil changes until you figure out how to repair it. |
This is all I use since I got tired of finding nothing in the screen. I just slant the car back toward the right rear dipstick and extract it out. Once you get the plate settled and leak-free, it sucks disturbing it every time you need an oil change even with silicone rubber gaskets, or whatever.
I use the Pela 6 Liter extractor. An oil change takes 4 minutes and no mess.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Drain Plate is an Absolute Mess...Weighing My Options |
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I'd go the extractor pump route until I had the time and resources to deal with the unknown damage. You could buy a pump or make one. I made one.
I needed a way to discreetly change my engine and air cleaner oil on long trips usually at campgrounds. I use plastic tubing down the dipstick tube while the pump works in the cab filling an empty plastic gallon water jug. It works on 12vdc.
No telling what damage you may have there. And yes, I take the waste oil home with me. |
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Volks Wagen
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| Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Drain Plate is an Absolute Mess...Weighing My Options |
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| goober wrote: |
I'd go the extractor pump route until I had the time and resources to deal with the unknown damage. You could buy a pump or make one. I made one.
I needed a way to discreetly change my engine and air cleaner oil on long trips usually at campgrounds. I use plastic tubing down the dipstick tube while the pump works in the cab filling an empty plastic gallon water jug. It works on 12vdc.
No telling what damage you may have there. And yes, I take the waste oil home with me. |
That looks cool. It'd be handy for siphoning out fuel from rich kids cars too I'll bet.
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