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jimf909 Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2014 Posts: 7472 Location: WA/ID
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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:33 pm Post subject: Manometer to test propane pressure, esp. for Propex heater... |
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My Propex 2211 seemed to be underperforming compared to what I’d heard from others. Overall, it didn’t seem to get the van as warm as others would say and the temp at the outlet was about 150* F, less than Karl Mullendore’s (WestyVentures) suggested 190 - 200* F.
Karl often recommends checking the propane regulator for 11” water column. So I checked the Marshall two-stage regulator that the PO installed about a decade ago.
Manometer setup: 8’ of 5/16” id x 7/16” od clear hose attached to a board with horizontal lines at 1/2”. (Choose any diameter hose, physics doesn’t care.)
The 7/16” hose fits nicely into a stove valve body with the stem removed (my Marshall two-stage regulator does not have ports where a manometer can be connected)...
Coffee tinted water (no food coloring in the house...I haven’t colored easter eggs in decades) at 0” with the main propane closed...
8” initial water column has the Propex delivering about 150* F at the outlet and sometimes cycling off...
Adjusting the Marshall two-stage regulator to a 12” water column has the Propex delivering 180* F at the outlet...
179.8 -185* F measured on three different thermometers...
I’ll still measure output temp at the furnace (I tested t briefly and saw 190* F) and add some insulation around the ducts to see if I can deliver more heat to the inside of the van.
Moral of the story, if your propane appliances aren’t working as expected, measure the regulator. Then track down the bugs and dust in the jets. (Moral #2, listen to Karl )
Now I just need to wait for some cold weather to give it a good test! _________________ - Jim
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro).
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spitsnrovers Samba Member
Joined: December 17, 2005 Posts: 924 Location: Calgary, Canada
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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:00 am Post subject: Re: Monometer to test propane pressure, esp. for Propex heater... |
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Neat set up. I found a similar mal-adjustment of my regulator by this method also. _________________ '88 VW Westfalia
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Sodo Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 9613 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:20 am Post subject: Re: Monometer to test propane pressure, esp. for Propex heater... |
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Now that's some Samba action.
My stove flames out when turning hard-right to the "low-stop" position.
Does that suggest low propane pressure too?
Removing the Stove Face Plate: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8117329#8117329
(excellent pictorial bummered by photobucket nonsense)
Would be great if member davideric could put these pics into TheSamba gallery!!
Regarding removal of the stove face plate. Are you testing for 11" water column with appliances burning (all of them)?
Or static pressure?
If static, can't you choose the "easiest location" to measure the 11"WC pressure? _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
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dgbeatty Samba Member
Joined: October 26, 2006 Posts: 702 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:20 am Post subject: Re: Monometer to test propane pressure, esp. for Propex heater... |
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The stoves have a second pressure regulator installed. I have found that even with the proper pressure at the valve the orifices in the stove valve is too small and benefits by increasing it 1 number size which I forget. Simmers perfectly afterwards. Be sure to use high temperature graphite gease. _________________ Schau in das Buch |
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jimf909 Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2014 Posts: 7472 Location: WA/ID
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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:15 am Post subject: Re: Monometer to test propane pressure, esp. for Propex heater... |
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Sodo wrote: |
Now that's some Samba action.
My stove flames out when turning hard-right to the "low-stop" position.
Does that suggest low propane pressure too?
Are you testing for 11" water column with appliances burning (all of them)?
Or static pressure?
If static, can't you choose the "easiest location" to measure the 11"WC pressure? |
1) I was suspicious of low pressure causing the burner to go out when turning the valve but the increased pressure hasn’t changed that yet. My ‘85 did not have that problem but my ‘90 does. Today’s project is cleaning up the valves to see if some grease is obstructing the orifice.
Looking at the great stove valve rebuild thread shows the two different orifices. The tiny one is for simmer at full counter-clockwise, the 1/8” orifice allows the flame to be adjusted from low to high. The no-man’s land in between seems to be the source of zero propane when turning the knob. I also may have some grease in the valve body obstructing the flow when the knob is in that spot. Alternatively, we can learn to twist the knob fast enough to not lose the flame.
A few folks mention the same syndrome here...
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=544333
2) I’m testing both static pressure and with all appliances running. E regulator is doing its job.
3) I think you can test both static and dynamic pressures anywhere in the system...but as dgbeatty points out, there is a small regulator before the stove valves. I’ll probably test pressure somewhere in the system before the stove regulator.
Phun with physics! _________________ - Jim
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Do not get killed, do not kill others.
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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jimf909 Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2014 Posts: 7472 Location: WA/ID
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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: Monometer to test propane pressure, esp. for Propex heater... |
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Sodo wrote: |
My stove flames out when turning hard-right to the "low-stop" position.
Does that suggest low propane pressure too?
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Nope. I found that adjusting the regulator to the correct pressure did not fix this problem.
I did find that following these directions did (see video in my post for what can be in your future ).
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9190378#9190378
Here's the result...
Link
_________________ - Jim
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Do not get killed, do not kill others.
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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