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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:02 pm    Post subject: torque wrench not enough for the job Reply with quote

I have one torque wrench, but it only marks until 200 NM. I need to change the flywheel oil seal, for what I check it is not enough.
I can't afford a torque wrench with that high of a rating and either donít have anyone that can borrow one.
It will be better to do the job right!? Or it can be torque to 200NM without any problem?
If not, there is anyway that I can use this 200NM torque wrench and be ok with that flywheel gland not?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:10 pm    Post subject: Re: torque wrench not enough for the job Reply with quote

You need 294 NM to torque the gland nut sufficiently, so your torque wrench only gets you there about two thirds of the way. Either borrow a torque wrench with enough capacity or use a breaker & cheater bar along with some math.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:29 pm    Post subject: Re: torque wrench not enough for the job Reply with quote

How about Chester with the big impact down at the truck stop? 😂
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:53 pm    Post subject: Re: torque wrench not enough for the job Reply with quote

Another option is the "torque meister" tool which is a 9x torque multiplier. By applying ~30 ft-lbs. of torque to the tool, the glad nut is nicely and easily torqued to spec.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:23 pm    Post subject: Re: torque wrench not enough for the job Reply with quote

sjbartnik wrote:
Another option is the "torque meister" tool which is a 9x torque multiplier. By applying ~30 ft-lbs. of torque to the tool, the glad nut is nicely and easily torqued to spec.


I second this, I put off buying torque meister, but very much worth the price.

But I also bought this. figured for $40 I can use it to double check.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:30 pm    Post subject: Re: torque wrench not enough for the job Reply with quote

Free loaner torque wrench at O'Reilly goes to 250 ft lbs. I've borrowed it a few times.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:31 pm    Post subject: Re: torque wrench not enough for the job Reply with quote

I was wondering if anyone had used the "beam" type torque wrench, the one that have like a needle to point..? Can it be ok for the job?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:36 pm    Post subject: Re: torque wrench not enough for the job Reply with quote

airoldspeed wrote:
I was wondering if anyone had used the "beam" type torque wrench, the one that have like a needle to point..? Can it be ok for the job?

Yes, a beam style torque wrench is perfectly fine to use here provided it goes up to at least 294 NM / 217 ft lbs.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:19 pm    Post subject: Re: torque wrench not enough for the job Reply with quote

Thank you!!

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airoldspeed wrote:
I was wondering if anyone had used the "beam" type torque wrench, the one that have like a needle to point..? Can it be ok for the job?

Yes, a beam style torque wrench is perfectly fine to use here provided it goes up to at least 294 NM / 217 ft lbs.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:55 pm    Post subject: Re: torque wrench not enough for the job Reply with quote

For best accuracy your torque wrench should have a much higher capacity than 217. Ideally the wrench should have ~double the desired value. This is why a torque multiplier is a good value.

Whatever method you use be absolutely certain you get the nut properly tightened!
If the nut is not tight enough the flywheel can come loose causing major damage to the crankshaft and flywheel.
Replacement of these might be 10X more expensive than the correct tools will cost Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:05 pm    Post subject: Re: torque wrench not enough for the job Reply with quote

You don't need a torque wrench.
You know how much you weigh, torque is force times distance, make a cheater bar the right length.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:11 pm    Post subject: Re: torque wrench not enough for the job Reply with quote

modok wrote:
You don't need a torque wrench.
You know how much you weigh, torque is force times distance, make a cheater bar the right length.


I'd still go with the loaner torque wrench.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: torque wrench not enough for the job Reply with quote

modok is correct, you can tighten the gland nut using a cheater bar to extend/increase your leverage on the nut. Knowing how much weight you are applying at what distance to the nut you can calculate the applied torque. You also need a way to lock the flywheel in place. You don't need to apply ALL of your weight, but if you apply less than all you will need to measure how much less. Here a accurate bathroom scale will tell you how much of your weight is NOT being supported by the cheater bar.

But there are added risks when placing extensions on tools and applying a VERY large torque at a larger distance. It is easy to loose control of the situation and get hurt. Make sure the socket over the gland nut is supported so it doesn't slip off the nut while tightening.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: torque wrench not enough for the job Reply with quote

Once you use the torque multiplier, you will never go back to long bars, slipping sockets, or tipping engines.

The first time I used mine, it freaked me out how easy and CONTROLLED getting the axle nuts and gland nut torqued to exactly what you want with a regular ol' 3/8 ratchet and two fingers.

Ever notice how every old axle nut is all damaged and rounded? That's from using a long bar and it slipping off.

Best VW tool I ever purchased.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:34 pm    Post subject: Re: torque wrench not enough for the job Reply with quote

I very much agree that the Torquemeister or a variant thereof is the best tool for this job, but I figured since the OP stated they couldn't afford to buy the proper rated torque wrench here that it was quite unlikely they could afford to buy a torque multiplier tool either. So, suggestions as to go about things were based on what was likely they would come across versus the ideal, ie, make do with what you have. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:45 pm    Post subject: Re: torque wrench not enough for the job Reply with quote

Large torque wrenches can be quite expensive. The tool is less than 100 with the 12v and 6v gears. If that's still outta reach, just go back to the old long bar and some math. Just find a way to support the engine well and bolt the socket on firmly.

But if the op can swing it the multiplier was the best money I've spent. Highly recommend if you own a VW IMHO.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:52 pm    Post subject: Re: torque wrench not enough for the job Reply with quote

VW made a tool specifically for the axle and gland nuts.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:50 pm    Post subject: Re: torque wrench not enough for the job Reply with quote

That's why I suggested the FREE LOANER tool.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:52 pm    Post subject: Re: torque wrench not enough for the job Reply with quote

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That's why I suggested the FREE LOANER tool.

Based on the OP using metric units and their grammar being slightly odd, I'd say chances are good they don't live in the USA and likely don't have FLAPS with FREE LOANER programs. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:28 am    Post subject: Re: torque wrench not enough for the job Reply with quote

mukluk wrote:
Cusser wrote:
That's why I suggested the FREE LOANER tool.

Based on the OP using metric units and their grammar being slightly odd, I'd say chances are good they don't live in the USA and likely don't have FLAPS with FREE LOANER programs. Wink


Good observation. I notice guy did not fill in his location, year of VW, engine type.

But since he's a newbie and it's Easter, I won't yell at him.
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