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mnkytail
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 Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:05 pm Post subject: Clutch/Shifting Issues |
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Ok, I was driving my 1966 Beetle home the other day and shifted from first to second, and it wouldn't go into second. I tried all the gears and got nothing. Clutch pedal felt like it went way out of adjustment. I was finally able to get it into first and get it home. I pulled the clutch cable thinking that it was frayed or stretching, but it looked good. No damage so I pulled the engine to get a look at the clutch and the clutch fork and bearing. Looks good too. I can run through the gears no problem with the car off. I've attached photos (except for cable) to confirm things aren't out of whack. The clutch pedal hook looks worn but not damaged. Kinda stumped on what was going on. I wanted to get opinions before putting it all back together. Thanks!
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Pruneman99
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| Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch/Shifting Issues |
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Clutch cable tube probably broke free of the welds. Unfortunately it's not uncommon, and a real PITA to fix.
Take the shifter out and look in the tunnel for the clutch tube. Press the clutch. Did the tube move? |
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Cusser
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| Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch/Shifting Issues |
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| Pruneman99 wrote: |
Clutch cable tube probably broke free of the welds. Unfortunately it's not uncommon, and a real PITA to fix.
Take the shifter out and look in the tunnel for the clutch tube. Press the clutch. Did the tube move? |
This. And also check the clutch PEDAL itself for cracking.
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mnkytail
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| Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch/Shifting Issues |
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Should have said this: I checked the clutch cable tube in the tunnel. Fron and back welds good and solid. The one in the tunnel by the E-Brake is being held in place by a hook of some sort installed by a previous owner. But it is very solid and nothing is moving. Used a camera snake to get in there and look at it.
I tried moving it around with a screwdriver and nothing moved. But that was without the clutch hooked up and cable in it. Perhaps the pressure from the cable would move it? |
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67rustavenger 
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| Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch/Shifting Issues |
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| Cusser wrote: |
This. And also check the clutch PEDAL itself for cracking. |
^^^^^ Check this. I have had this happen many years ago.
Look where the pin passes through the pedal and the shaft for a crack.
It can be welded if your on a budget. Or just source a new clutch pedal.
Good Luck.
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mukluk
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| Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch/Shifting Issues |
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| I pulled the clutch cable thinking that it was frayed or stretching, but it looked good. |
Did you actually measure the cable to be certain it hasn't stretched?
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mnkytail
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| Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:08 am Post subject: Re: Clutch/Shifting Issues |
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Measured cable and it has not stretched. Here is a pic of the pedal. PO already welded the clutch pedal together.
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KTPhil
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| Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:37 am Post subject: Re: Clutch/Shifting Issues |
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| 67rustavenger wrote: |
| Cusser wrote: |
This. And also check the clutch PEDAL itself for cracking. |
^^^^^ Check this. I have had this happen many years ago.
Look where the pin passes through the pedal and the shaft for a crack.
It can be welded if your on a budget. Or just source a new clutch pedal.
Good Luck. |
Yep, happened to mine, too. |
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mnkytail
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| Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:29 am Post subject: Re: Clutch/Shifting Issues |
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| Well, I went through everything and it all looked good, so I put it back together and adjusted the clutch. Pressed on it a few times and bam! the weld near the parking brake broke. Ugh. Thanks for the help - I will be reading up on the fix. |
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mnkytail
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| Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch/Shifting Issues |
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Here is a pic I took with the scope camera, not great. So this is just behind the E-brake. When I put a screwdriver in the gaps around the E-brake and press on this area is moves around, but with the clutch, it moves very little. Almost imperceptible movement. Can someone confirm that since this tab is moving, it needs to be rewelded?
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VW_Jimbo
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| Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch/Shifting Issues |
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| mnkytail wrote: |
Here is a pic I took with the scope camera, not great. So this is just behind the E-brake. When I put a screwdriver in the gaps around the E-brake and press on this area is moves around, but with the clutch, it moves very little. Almost imperceptible movement. Can someone confirm that since this tab is moving, it needs to be rewelded?
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That is the middle weld of the clutch cable tube. It is a very common break. Open the tunnel on the passenger side. Weld the broken tab, then close the cover and weld it closed.
This is the broken tab. The one to the right of the PO,s J bolt and wire tie!
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mnkytail
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| Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch/Shifting Issues |
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| mnkytail wrote: |
Here is a pic I took with the scope camera, not great. So this is just behind the E-brake. When I put a screwdriver in the gaps around the E-brake and press on this area is moves around, but with the clutch, it moves very little. Almost imperceptible movement. Can someone confirm that since this tab is moving, it needs to be rewelded?
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That is the middle weld of the clutch cable tube. It is a very common break. Open the tunnel on the passenger side. Weld the broken tab, then close the cover and weld it closed.
This is the broken tab. The one to the right of the PO,s J bolt and wire tie!
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Awesome thanks! I've heard it is better to not cut right angles in the tunnel as it can lead to cracks. Any concerns for that? |
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