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sweetleaf Samba Member
Joined: July 03, 2010 Posts: 14 Location: BC, Canada
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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:13 pm Post subject: Looking to value / sell my 1967 Canadian Custom |
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9 years ago I acquired a 1967 Canadian Custom. I am the 3rd owner.
It has many original details but has had upgrades such as carpeted floor and a new gas tank. I have sent away to VW for the "birth certificate" and have a letter of confirmation that it is numbers matching and the paint & upholstery are correct. I have an owners manual, repair manual, and car cover.
To my knowledge, it was repainted once, but it's not museum condition. There are knicks and bubbles here and there. It's a very driveable and enjoyable car with no issues and has been stored indoors.
I am looking for insight as to an approx. value I should be asking for this car. I understand that '67 is a desirable year and that Canadian Customs are rare, but I am not sure that this necessarily means it is worth top dollar.
I am located in British Columbia, Canada.
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bnam Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2006 Posts: 2936 Location: El Dorado Hills CA/ Bangalore, India
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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Looking to value / sell my 1967 Canadian Custom |
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Nice car!
The M051 on your BS is "Prepared for subsequent installation of second alternator." That's the second Canadian car I've seen with that option. The other is a 68 Ghia that was subsequently imported to India. Wonder if it was for a police/emergency use - for added radio? _________________ 1971 1302LS Convertible (RHD) owned since '74
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1965 Karmann Ghia Coupe - under restoration
1966 Fiat 1500 Cabrio (with 1600 Twin cam)
1952 Citroen TA 11BL |
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Digger89L Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2013 Posts: 1130 Location: Western Canada (SK)
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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Looking to value / sell my 1967 Canadian Custom |
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bnam wrote: |
Nice car!
The M051 on your BS is "Prepared for subsequent installation of second alternator." That's the second Canadian car I've seen with that option. The other is a 68 Ghia that was subsequently imported to India. Wonder if it was for a police/emergency use - for added radio? |
I think your translation of M051 is incorrect. My 66 Deluxe has that same line on the Birth Certificate ...and my 66 is a factory-original 6 volt generator system, not an "alternator" system .....
That being said, I think any car (67 Cdn Std Beetles included) is worth what the market says it is. So ...advertise it for "$10K CDN or best offer" see what kind of offers you get. If you get several offers at say, $7K ..then that's what its worth. If you get people jumping on the $10K price ...then perhaps re-advertise if for $15K and go thru the process again. _________________ "If you can't fix it with pop rivets, crazy glue and duct tape, or hold it together with zip ties, velcro or magnets, it REALLY is broken." |
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sweetleaf Samba Member
Joined: July 03, 2010 Posts: 14 Location: BC, Canada
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:10 am Post subject: Re: Looking to value / sell my 1967 Canadian Custom |
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Thank you so much for your input!
As much as I'd like to believe it was a police car, I purchased it from the 2nd owner who therefore knew the original owners: a married couple in the Vancouver area.
There is a light on the dash above the speedo which I'm not sure what it is for.. Maybe a gas heater? There is no heater present from what I can tell. |
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Digger89L Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2013 Posts: 1130 Location: Western Canada (SK)
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:34 am Post subject: Re: Looking to value / sell my 1967 Canadian Custom |
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If it has a factory installed gas heater, it will be a Webasto unit, and will be installed above the transmission. It would have a control knob on the lower dash, to the right of the ash tray. Literature says 'all' 65 and later beetles had factory installed 'auxiliary heaters' ....but I know from experience that is not accurate. _________________ "If you can't fix it with pop rivets, crazy glue and duct tape, or hold it together with zip ties, velcro or magnets, it REALLY is broken." |
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wayne1230cars Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2010 Posts: 2685 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:04 am Post subject: Re: Looking to value / sell my 1967 Canadian Custom |
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Digger89L wrote: |
If it has a factory installed gas heater, it will be a Webasto unit, and will be installed above the transmission. It would have a control knob on the lower dash, to the right of the ash tray. Literature says 'all' 65 and later beetles had factory installed 'auxiliary heaters' ....but I know from experience that is not accurate. |
True. I owned 2 ‘67 deluxe (exported to Canada). One had the heater and one did not. My brother had a ‘67 as well but no auxiliary heater on his. Those heaters really worked in the cold Canadian winters. I have seen those heaters on multiple bugs and they were always 1967. There were also the larger gas heaters mounted in he front trunk. My 1970 convertible had one. They worked well (when they worked).
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bnam Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2006 Posts: 2936 Location: El Dorado Hills CA/ Bangalore, India
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:27 am Post subject: Re: Looking to value / sell my 1967 Canadian Custom |
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Perhaps M051 indicated pre-wiring for heater? _________________ 1971 1302LS Convertible (RHD) owned since '74
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1965 Karmann Ghia Coupe - under restoration
1966 Fiat 1500 Cabrio (with 1600 Twin cam)
1952 Citroen TA 11BL |
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wayne1230cars Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2010 Posts: 2685 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:32 am Post subject: Re: Looking to value / sell my 1967 Canadian Custom |
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Even the 1964 Canadian VW advertising literature claims that the VW bugs had 2 separate heaters. This was true even for the Canadian Custom. False advertising?? My friend purchased a brand new 1964. There was definitely no gas heater in his.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/64full_line_canada/page2.jpg _________________ 1960 beetle
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sweetleaf Samba Member
Joined: July 03, 2010 Posts: 14 Location: BC, Canada
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:19 am Post subject: Re: Looking to value / sell my 1967 Canadian Custom |
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Okay, definitely no heater then and no sign of one being bolted in at one time. Vancouver isn't exceptionally cold so I understand why these people would have cheaped out.
Still so much fun learning about this car, I'll be sad to see it go. |
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Digger89L Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2013 Posts: 1130 Location: Western Canada (SK)
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:28 am Post subject: Re: Looking to value / sell my 1967 Canadian Custom |
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Here we go highjacking another thread! Sorry about that! The three 66's that I have now (strangely enough) all have the auxiliary heaters. And yes, the cars were factory-wired for the gas heaters ...the wiring to the front dash control was wired INSIDE the main wiring harness ...not an add-on by the dealer. Some speculate that the cars that didn't have the auxilliary heaters were 'grey market' cars brought into Canada from the US by 'unscrupulous' dealers. Not sure what the full story is there. There is a separate thread on here about the Canadian gas heater mystery that I started a few years ago. https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=652737&postorder=asc _________________ "If you can't fix it with pop rivets, crazy glue and duct tape, or hold it together with zip ties, velcro or magnets, it REALLY is broken." |
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sunroof Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2006 Posts: 1774 Location: Winnipeg
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Digger89L Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2013 Posts: 1130 Location: Western Canada (SK)
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: Looking to value / sell my 1967 Canadian Custom |
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Yeah ...so about $10K CDN dollars ... _________________ "If you can't fix it with pop rivets, crazy glue and duct tape, or hold it together with zip ties, velcro or magnets, it REALLY is broken." |
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sweetleaf Samba Member
Joined: July 03, 2010 Posts: 14 Location: BC, Canada
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Looking to value / sell my 1967 Canadian Custom |
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Thank you! I appreciate everyone's help very much |
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67 Florida Deluxe Samba Purist
Joined: June 21, 2005 Posts: 7987 Location: Gainesville and Tampa, Florida
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Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: Looking to value / sell my 1967 Canadian Custom |
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Digger89L wrote: |
Yeah ...so about $10K CDN dollars ... |
Certainly in the ballpark. I have heard that importing Canadian cars to the US is troublesome and, thus, affects values. Since it seems apropos to this thread, I was wondering if anyone has experience importing cars from the great white north recently and what was required. I wanted to do this some years ago and finally gave up as there was too much involved.
BTW, it's a nice looking car! The reverse lights are mounted in an interesting fashion _________________ -Kent (BaT "daleallen")
OG member of the '67 Posse
A few of my toys, past and present
'56 Oval, '66 KG Conv't, '67 21-Window, '67 Bug, '79 SuperVert, '55 Pre-A Continental |
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Digger89L Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2013 Posts: 1130 Location: Western Canada (SK)
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Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:50 pm Post subject: Re: Looking to value / sell my 1967 Canadian Custom |
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I based my $10K CDN guesstimate on the 32% exchange rate from USD to CDN$.
Yes...shipping CDN cars to the US can be a challenge. People expect the Canadian seller to do all the paperwork as the "exporter" ...but it works the other way: the US seller has to do most of the paperwork as the 'importer'.
I (we) got about 50% of the way there (shipping a 64 bug from Sask, Canada to North Carolina) and then the importer got overwhelmed by the paperwork and the deal fell apart. There are issues around 'titles' (proof of ownership): most US states require that the importer produce a 'title' document ....which is not used in Canada ....we use a Bill of Sale and proof of registration. US officials don't care about that ....they want a "Title" and nothing less. Frustrating. _________________ "If you can't fix it with pop rivets, crazy glue and duct tape, or hold it together with zip ties, velcro or magnets, it REALLY is broken." |
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Emeraldlion Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2005 Posts: 743 Location: Texarkana, TX
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Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: Looking to value / sell my 1967 Canadian Custom |
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I think it is easier if you drive the car across. Some US states have a option for titling a car with "bonded title." It is a process that requires bill of sale only. The only drawback I would see in the whole thing past the paperwork is the added expense. Here in texas it ran me about 500 bucks to receive my bonded title application. Add o to that the import fees and it is enough that you need to factor it into your negotiations on purchase price. |
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67 Florida Deluxe Samba Purist
Joined: June 21, 2005 Posts: 7987 Location: Gainesville and Tampa, Florida
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Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: Looking to value / sell my 1967 Canadian Custom |
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Digger89L wrote: |
There are issues around 'titles' (proof of ownership): most US states require that the importer produce a 'title' document ....which is not used in Canada ....we use a Bill of Sale and proof of registration. US officials don't care about that ....they want a "Title" and nothing less. Frustrating. |
Which is interesting, given that a number of states no longer issue titles for older cars; simply owner registrations and bills of sale. Yet this issue often kills sales of great cars from Canada. And it's not just old cars. I am in the market for a BMW 1M and noticed that those sold on BAT in Canada sold for far less than those in the US. Apparently, the import aggravations traverse all year cars. _________________ -Kent (BaT "daleallen")
OG member of the '67 Posse
A few of my toys, past and present
'56 Oval, '66 KG Conv't, '67 21-Window, '67 Bug, '79 SuperVert, '55 Pre-A Continental |
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bwaz Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Looking to value / sell my 1967 Canadian Custom |
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A pretty original 67 didn’t sell on BAT today at $14k. (Didn’t meet reserve) |
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67 Florida Deluxe Samba Purist
Joined: June 21, 2005 Posts: 7987 Location: Gainesville and Tampa, Florida
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