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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:56 pm    Post subject: My new 70 single cab...uh oh Reply with quote

So I went and bought a 1970 single cab and while I knew it would need some work, Iím hoping I didnít bite off more than I can chew.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:09 pm    Post subject: Re: My new 70 single cab...uh oh Reply with quote

I planned on replacing all the floors and I think that is a job I can handle. The doors are worse than I anticipated and I probably will just buy used ones (are the early and late bays the same?).

The gates may be salvageable for someone with more skill but Iíll either get some klassic fab replacements or fab my own basic ones.

There are two areas that are a major concern for me, the front lower inner metal (is that considered part of the frame or a separate structure?), and there is a small section of body and rockers that needs to be replaced. I was not anticipating that:(

The other major body work is the rear quarter panels which I think I can do but it will definitely push my skills.

There are some mechanical issues that Iíll need to address. The bus was converted to a type IV engine which I would like to keep but it may be more feasible to simply put back in a type I. The engine currently has dual carbs (I donít know much else about it), but I prefer fuel injection and more specifically a setup like my 77 westy just to simplify things and stick with what I know.

The front was also converted to disc brakes but after my initial test drive it seems like they arenít doing anything. Hopefully that will be an easy fix as itís the main thing I need to tackle before I drive it more.

Other than that there area ton of little things that need to be fixed. Right now I want to get all the holes plugged that might let water in. Specifically there are holes behind the cab, I posted a picture of them, does anyone know what supposed to go there?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:39 pm    Post subject: Re: My new 70 single cab...uh oh Reply with quote

Sweet ride.
Singles are often beaten up, but that one looks far better than most.

it'll need full dogleg surgery.

Luckily for you,
Gerson has most all of this stuff now.
I'd be saving for that big order.
Gates make or break a truck IMHO.

Oh,
And,
Early and late doors are different...
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:05 pm    Post subject: Re: My new 70 single cab...uh oh Reply with quote

Clatter wrote:
Sweet ride.
Singles are often beaten up, but that one looks far better than most.

it'll need full dogleg surgery.

Luckily for you,
Gerson has most all of this stuff now.
I'd be saving for that big order.
Gates make or break a truck IMHO.

Oh,
And,
Early and late doors are different...


Thanks. So 68-71 are the same then? No difference between various models (sc, dc, bus)?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: My new 70 single cab...uh oh Reply with quote

ivwshane wrote:
my 77 weary


I know exactly how you feel.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:34 pm    Post subject: Re: My new 70 single cab...uh oh Reply with quote

Liveonjg wrote:
ivwshane wrote:
my 77 weary


I know exactly how you feel.


Doh!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:42 pm    Post subject: Re: My new 70 single cab...uh oh Reply with quote

I like it. Definitely salvageable. Actually, it looks pretty solid.

Of course you bit off more than you can chew. But you will learn to just keep chewing. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:43 pm    Post subject: Re: My new 70 single cab...uh oh Reply with quote

Anyone have any good threads on how to tackle the lower front area?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:01 pm    Post subject: Re: My new 70 single cab...uh oh Reply with quote

ivwshane wrote:
Anyone have any good threads on how to tackle the lower front area?


FWIW, here is a link to the work I did on that area. I know itís a late bay, but there are a few similarities. I found the hardest area to be the washer bottle panel. Wolfsburg West makes one. I think Gerson makes the rest. The Haynes restoration manual is a good guide to help you figure out all those rust sandwiches.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:06 pm    Post subject: Re: My new 70 single cab...uh oh Reply with quote

That's a nice ride.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:40 pm    Post subject: Re: My new 70 single cab...uh oh Reply with quote

orwell84 wrote:
ivwshane wrote:
Anyone have any good threads on how to tackle the lower front area?


FWIW, here is a link to the work I did on that area. I know itís a late bay, but there are a few similarities. I found the hardest area to be the washer bottle panel. Wolfsburg West makes one. I think Gerson makes the rest. The Haynes restoration manual is a good guide to help you figure out all those rust sandwiches.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...p;start=40


Damn!! I might have to farm this bit out!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: My new 70 single cab...uh oh Reply with quote

I donít much about single cabs but was surprised to see a type 4 engine in this 1970 SC. Is this how they came?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:17 pm    Post subject: Re: My new 70 single cab...uh oh Reply with quote

Whaanga wrote:
I donít much about single cabs but was surprised to see a type 4 engine in this 1970 SC. Is this how they came?


No. It was converted. It may have to go though. Weíll see. Ideally Iíd like to keep it and make it work but I want it to be just like the type IV in my westy.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:20 pm    Post subject: Re: My new 70 single cab...uh oh Reply with quote

Whaanga wrote:
I donít much about single cabs but was surprised to see a type 4 engine in this 1970 SC. Is this how they came?
Iím gonna say no....
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:01 pm    Post subject: Re: My new 70 single cab...uh oh Reply with quote

So I have a type IV engine with dual Weber carbs but thatís about as much information as I can get about it. I donít see an engine code on either the fan housing or on the case by the breather box. Where eids would they be?

Itís got the inspection plug on the top of the Fan housing but that doesnít necessarily mean anything.

Does the exhaust offer any clues?


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:44 pm    Post subject: Re: My new 70 single cab...uh oh Reply with quote

Hello,
It may be a 914 engine, check the top of the case near the front?, for engine numbers.
And for the front brakes, it looks as if there is no vacuum powered brake servo... just disc and calipers... of course they don't work.... They must have changed out the rear brake system and axles also. You can't fit 71 and later rims on a 70-68 rear hub, take a closer look of your pound puppy.
The holes behind the seat may be for canopy post? IDK just a guess.
It does look like a fun project, if you like rust repair...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:00 pm    Post subject: Re: My new 70 single cab...uh oh Reply with quote

Definitely a hack job but it looks alright. there is a tin conversion kit to make a type IV fit in an early bay but I think it's usually pretty pricey.

I have a VW of Canada Re-manufactured engine in my bus - also a type IV. The case itself only says "GE" and it has a little VW recycling stamp on it. You also have to look like, DIRECTLY down to see the number, the angle of the pic where the number would be may not be at a good angle.

I also couldn't see the engine number on my shroud until I really scrubbed the crap out of it. Maybe you just have enough oil and dirt and gunk to fill in the numbers and letters??

Good luck, sick bus
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:37 pm    Post subject: Re: My new 70 single cab...uh oh Reply with quote

Thoughts:

Cramming that Type IV engine in there must have involved some hackery, as it would not ordinarily fit. If you do go that route, you'll need to figure out how to seal off the engine compartment (so that you cannot see the street from the inside).

The row of holes behind the cab is not original. The original hoops are held to the floor and bulkhead by captive nuts that are likely gone.

My '78 double cab also has no brake booster, although it has '78 disc brakes. Stops quite well, surprisingly.

A new set of gates from KlassicFab will run you about $2000.

The engine number stamped on the shroud might be misleading. The real engine number is stamped on the top of the case near the breather box.

Good luck! Trucks are great fun and useful, too!
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