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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22448 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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vwwestyman wrote: |
Oh, yeah. Since I have my BA6 installed in the '73, I don't think the clock timer would match! |
You have to get this then.
The heater will remain running. All the clock does is turn it on, no timer. So yeah, you better get out there before it runs the battery down and not have first world problems. _________________
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OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
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1964 T34 S Convertible
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tristessa Samba Member
Joined: April 07, 2004 Posts: 3992 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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vwwestyman wrote: |
I feel like there must be some kind of module I could buy that I could send a text to from anywhere, that could then be used to turn the heater on. At least assuming the heater, somewhere in it's harness, has a simple "turn on" wire like my Espar does.
Anyone know what on earth I'm talking about? |
Eberspächer has their "EasyStart Web" module that does what you're thinking, but it has a built-in SIM so it's probably Europe-only. It would work just as well with a BN4 as a modern Eberspächer heater with CAN integration .. I'm sure Webasto has something similar.
The signal from the controller to the heater on the Chinese units is digital, no simple "on" wire to tap into. You might be able to hardwire a 4G WiFi hotspot on your Bus and use that as a gateway to one of Ray Jones' Afterburner controllers to get the job done, but I honestly haven't looked at it too hard .. I can't justify another line on our phone plan just to turn the heater off and on, as nifty as it would be. =D |
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obieoberstar Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 1126 Location: Tucson
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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vwwestyman wrote: |
notchboy wrote: |
vwwestyman wrote: |
I feel like there must be some kind of module I could buy that I could send a text to from anywhere, that could then be used to turn the heater on. At least assuming the heater, somewhere in it's harness, has a simple "turn on" wire like my Espar does. I've even figured that I could probably attach such a device to the correct wire on my old BN4 or BA6 heaters and make them run, too.
But with all my googling abilities, the best I'm coming up with is pages on connecting smart phones to new car's interfaces and such.
Anyone know what on earth I'm talking about? |
You are cracking me up. You put that on a BN4 or a BA6 and Ill disown you. |
I figure it would be super easy with the Espar D2 installed in the '78, since there is that simple on wire that can be tapped into. But it does seem possible to do with the older models, with a little wiring harness magic.
I thought about this yesterday as I walked out of my office building to turn the BA6 on in the '73 and walked back in to let it warm up.
I also thought it would be nice to install a leisure battery in the '73 just to let the heater run off it, so I wouldn't have to worry about running the starting battery down at all.
But wouldn't it be nice to be able to text "start" or somesuch command to the unit, to have it start up the heater? |
Turing on the heater with a text can be done. Check out this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t0prN6gF64 |
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vwwestyman Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2004 Posts: 5688 Location: Manhattan, Kansas, USA
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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obieoberstar wrote: |
vwwestyman wrote: |
notchboy wrote: |
vwwestyman wrote: |
I feel like there must be some kind of module I could buy that I could send a text to from anywhere, that could then be used to turn the heater on. At least assuming the heater, somewhere in it's harness, has a simple "turn on" wire like my Espar does. I've even figured that I could probably attach such a device to the correct wire on my old BN4 or BA6 heaters and make them run, too.
But with all my googling abilities, the best I'm coming up with is pages on connecting smart phones to new car's interfaces and such.
Anyone know what on earth I'm talking about? |
You are cracking me up. You put that on a BN4 or a BA6 and Ill disown you. |
I figure it would be super easy with the Espar D2 installed in the '78, since there is that simple on wire that can be tapped into. But it does seem possible to do with the older models, with a little wiring harness magic.
I thought about this yesterday as I walked out of my office building to turn the BA6 on in the '73 and walked back in to let it warm up.
I also thought it would be nice to install a leisure battery in the '73 just to let the heater run off it, so I wouldn't have to worry about running the starting battery down at all.
But wouldn't it be nice to be able to text "start" or somesuch command to the unit, to have it start up the heater? |
Turing on the heater with a text can be done. Check out this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t0prN6gF64 |
Awesome, that's what I was thinking of, thanks! We'll see if I ever get around to the project, but I like it! _________________ Dave Cook
President, Wild Westerner Club
1978 Champagne Edition Westy, repowered to '97 Jetta TDI
1973 Wild Westerner
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Daverham Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2009 Posts: 1397 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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OK, one detail at a time, as time permits...
Here's how I made a custom mounting bracket to hang the heater itself under the floor of the bus.
I used the mounting plate that came with it (flimsy and flat, shown at right) as a template. With a little spray paint I was able to stencil the pattern onto a much heaver piece of steel:
After much drilling and improvising a bending brake on my bench vise:
It fits!
So here's my custom bracket, a 1.25 inch thick plywood spacer and a piece of rubber to dampen vibration:
Installed:
And the heater hanging up:
That worked well. And that steel is at least 1mm thick. But I still wasn't comfortable with the fact that I could wiggle the whole thing around with my hand a bit. It would move around too much on a bumpy road. So I added a brace that goes around to the other side and bolts to the frame rail (I even used an existing factory hole there!) and now it's rock solid, 100%:
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22639 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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Dave, you are going to crash the internet if you internet enable a Bay Bus _________________ .ssS! |
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vwwestyman Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2004 Posts: 5688 Location: Manhattan, Kansas, USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:20 am Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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Abscate wrote: |
Dave, you are going to crash the internet if you internet enable a Bay Bus |
This sounds like a challenge! Accepted.
The bigger challenge, though, will be convincing my wife that it is necessary to spend the money on such a project. I'll see what I can do. _________________ Dave Cook
President, Wild Westerner Club
1978 Champagne Edition Westy, repowered to '97 Jetta TDI
1973 Wild Westerner
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Daverham Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2009 Posts: 1397 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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All added up, this has been slightly less than $300 or so. Just FYI.
Since someone just PM'd me this question, I'll just copy my answer here:
Q:
Saw your heater install. Does it work when it’s mounted with the combustion inlet and exhaust mounted sideways? I keep reading it should be upright. I like your setup. Warm regards.
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Out of the four different ways you could position UP, two of them are "allowed" - you just have to make sure the glow plug is at the top. And since the glow plus is actually at one of the corners, that gives you two options. Make sense? Pop off the plastic cowling and you'll see it in there and it will be clear.
And it's not really about the glow plug, that's just the easiest way to know which way is supposed to be up. It's actually about a small hole in the top of the combustion chamber. If that's in the wrong position, the whole thing will leak diesel oil out the bottom.
So yeah - mine is on its side and it works great. Many people do it this way... so long as you keep the glow plug at the top!
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Daverham Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2009 Posts: 1397 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:55 am Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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I'd also like to note that this heater has been working wonderfully for me for about a week now. And it's awesome. It came with a little key fob remote. I can fire up my heater from inside the house and go out to a toasty warm bus.
My wife's 2017 Kia Sorento doesn't even have that feature and guess who's jealous of who now that it's 37˚F in the mornings!! Suddenly that "old van" is looking pretty cozy. |
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22448 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:57 am Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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I personally love the embrace these types of heaters have received this last year. Cheap, reliable heat in your lunchbox? Who would have thought?
I hope you all stay warm and happy travels this fine Turkey Day Celebration!!
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OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
1964 1500 S
1964 T34 S Convertible
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KentABQ Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2016 Posts: 2406 Location: Albuquerque NM
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:42 am Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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FINALLY!
The new Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater is installed and working great.
Since it's in the 70s here, it's difficult to test its full potential, but it pumps out a bunch of heat fairly quietly. I'm pleased with it.
To make space for it, and to replace a deteriorating cabinet, I designed and built this...
The little black vent at the bottom is the air inlet for the heater, with another vent on the opposite side for the heat. The vent swivels similar to the ones on the dash, so it can be aimed toward the cab or the bed.
The unit itself...
...is securely mounted to the floor with the fuel line and air inlet/outlet tubes routed thru the floor.
Now it's time to get out and find someplace cool to camp! |
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cmonSTART Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2014 Posts: 1915 Location: NH
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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Come on up to NH - we have plenty of cool weather here!
Looks really cool. I'm going to have to look into these after I install the aux battery. _________________ '78 Bus 2.0FI
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tjrm63 Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2007 Posts: 116 Location: Jersey Shore
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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I chose the portable chinese heater for my application
Installed it behind the jumpseat, I also chose the one with the 4 vents so I could put heat up front in the cab as well as the back. I used 4 traps from a sink as my heater vents that are curved 90 degrees and fit inside the hole perfecly and I can rotate them to add or lessen the heat
I also added positive and negative wires with clamps from my battery to inside the jumpseat so I can use the heater while driving. I also have a spare battery that is used for the heater when camping. It works very well
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blue72beetle Samba Member
Joined: April 23, 2008 Posts: 846 Location: Fort Wayne, IN
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KentABQ Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2016 Posts: 2406 Location: Albuquerque NM
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Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 5:30 am Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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This is a heads-up regarding a potential problem with the CCDPH's...
I have my heater installed inside the cabin, connected through a switch and fuse to an auxiliary battery. The last time I used the heater, it started putting out a burning plastic smell, so I shut it down but failed to turn off the switch after cool down. But I did unplug the digital control pad from the heater.
Since the heater isn't needed in Florida this time of year, I planned on investigating the burning smell in the fall.
But the potential problem I am referring to isn't the burning plastic smell, believe it or not. The problem I discovered is the fan on the heater.
Here is what happened:
I was working on some electrical components, so I disconnected the auxiliary battery. When I was done, I closed up the cab, and reconnected the battery. And the next day I opened the cab to find the CCDPH fan was running! The heat wasn't on, just the fan was running. I'm just glad I checked it that next day or it would have kept running and draining the battery. I'm surprised the fan would run with the control unit disconnected, but it did.
I've learned my lesson... I will take extra precautions in the future to make sure I turn off the heater switch after it has completely cooled down.
(BTW... If the electricity to the heater is turned off before it is allowed to fully cool down, the heat inside will fry the electronics in there. So I don't turn off the switch until it has completed the cool down cycle and has turned itself off.)
As for the burning smell, it started immediately after I added an extension pipe to the muffler. Due to the position of the heater inside my van/bus, the exhaust came out under the chassis about 18" away from the slider. I wanted the exhaust to be farther away from the door. Not sure how I am going to address it, but that's a problem to check out in the fall. |
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jeremyrockjock Samba Towbar Builder
Joined: January 01, 2002 Posts: 5008 Location: Richmond, Verjinya
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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I'm in the middle of installing one in my deluxe
_________________ Why buy what you can build.
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ImAddicted Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2012 Posts: 1195 Location: Unorganized Territory, Maine
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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jeremyrockjock wrote: |
I'm in the middle of installing one in my deluxe
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I'm liking that plan _________________ 1979 Transporter (sold)
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strfish7 wrote: |
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cmonSTART Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2014 Posts: 1915 Location: NH
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 1:40 pm Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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Me too.. I'm liking this...... _________________ '78 Bus 2.0FI
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jeremyrockjock Samba Towbar Builder
Joined: January 01, 2002 Posts: 5008 Location: Richmond, Verjinya
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:21 am Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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Duct modified and hard welded
_________________ Why buy what you can build.
Step away from the fiberglass and no one gets hurt!! |
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John Ghia Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2004 Posts: 281
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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Jeremy do you think it will fit in the toolbox area? _________________ BUS BOYZ |
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