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jakokombi Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 11:18 am Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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What are your plans for the hot exhaust pipe? _________________ 70 Sunroof Kombi
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wagohn Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 11:22 am Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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jakokombi wrote: |
What are your plans for the hot exhaust pipe? |
Out through the floor of the tire well and into the engine bay. Then out to under the bus, may need more exhaust pipe. _________________ 1976 VW Transporter, 2.0 FI Engine |
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ImAddicted Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2012 Posts: 1195 Location: Unorganized Territory, Maine
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 11:28 am Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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I can’t see anything wrong with it other than your ducting is going to have to make at least one hard 90* turn. Looking in my engine bay, the bottom if the spare well goes pretty deep, you might make it without having to extend the exhaust. Might want to wrap it to minimize extra heat in the engine bay. _________________ 1979 Transporter (sold)
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jakokombi Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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Keep in mind that exhaust pipe can get red hot, not ideal for the engine compartment.
I used a ceramic wool insulation when I mounted mine under the driver's seat to keep the heat away from the brake line.
Maybe you could look into fibreglass wrap for headers or silicone products too. _________________ 70 Sunroof Kombi
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wagohn Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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Thanks all. I thought about the front seat area but the engine compartment also provides a local area for the diesel tank. I dont really want the diesel tank inside the bus as I am a notorious spiller. In the engine bay, all stinks can gather together.
Also, added heat wont be an issue because we will use the heater for camping only. I can live with a 20 min cold commute but not a 2-day camp.
Thanks. _________________ 1976 VW Transporter, 2.0 FI Engine |
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scubasteve321 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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download the webasto manual, as it is what the Chinese heater is based off of; for each hard turn in your heat output, you lose significant pushing power; less bends with minor angles = more pushing power _________________ 1971 Campmobile Tin-Top
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vwwestyman Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2004 Posts: 5688 Location: Manhattan, Kansas, USA
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Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 9:13 am Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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Hmm... Having the exhaust connection inside the Bus makes me a little nervous for if there is a small leak.
They can be mounted sideways; perhaps you could turn it 90 degrees and have it mounted to the side of the spare tire well. Then the exhaust connection could be "outside" the interior of the Bus.
What are your plans for ducting the heat to wherever you want it? _________________ Dave Cook
President, Wild Westerner Club
1978 Champagne Edition Westy, repowered to '97 Jetta TDI
1973 Wild Westerner
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wagohn Samba Member
Joined: June 24, 2014 Posts: 740 Location: United States
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Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 11:19 am Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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vwwestyman wrote: |
Hmm... Having the exhaust connection inside the Bus makes me a little nervous for if there is a small leak.
They can be mounted sideways; perhaps you could turn it 90 degrees and have it mounted to the side of the spare tire well. Then the exhaust connection could be "outside" the interior of the Bus.
What are your plans for ducting the heat to wherever you want it? |
Not a bad idea. That is an issue, the exhaust fume possibility. Also, it needs to be reasonable easy to remove if I need to de-soot or change the glow-plug, etc. Still ruminating. _________________ 1976 VW Transporter, 2.0 FI Engine |
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wagohn Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2021 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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wagohn wrote: |
vwwestyman wrote: |
Hmm... Having the exhaust connection inside the Bus makes me a little nervous for if there is a small leak.
They can be mounted sideways; perhaps you could turn it 90 degrees and have it mounted to the side of the spare tire well. Then the exhaust connection could be "outside" the interior of the Bus.
What are your plans for ducting the heat to wherever you want it? |
Not a bad idea. That is an issue, the exhaust fume possibility. Also, it needs to be reasonable easy to remove if I need to de-soot or change the glow-plug, etc. Still ruminating. |
Took a longer look today and I'm not sure the wheel well is going to work. The mounting plate sits about 3/4" above the bottom of the well, because of the curvature of the space. At first I wasn't concerned about this because I was convinced the heaters exhaust fitting could be made leak proof so no need for the plate to sit flush. What I overlooked is that the bus engine will make its own fumes and so those are going to come up into the living area, through the non-flush fitting, when going down the road.
There doesn't seem to be a "no brainer" location for these things. _________________ 1976 VW Transporter, 2.0 FI Engine |
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ImAddicted Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2012 Posts: 1195 Location: Unorganized Territory, Maine
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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Agreed. If you have a second battery, it's hard in the engine bay. If you want max storage, it is difficult in the interior. I'm looking at these hard myself. I first wanted to go with the "portable" one because it is all self-contained (and I can get it wholesale for not much more than the little one) except the exhaust and intake routing, then realized the way I designed my interior, it won't fit. I thought about the small one under the bed but then I lose too much space. I'm thinking about tucking one up underneath instead. Still not sure if that will work without sacrificing too much ground clearance. _________________ 1979 Transporter (sold)
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71whitewesty Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2010 Posts: 1544 Location: oregon
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 10:37 am Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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I'm in the same boat with where to put it if I got one. I figure I'd use one about 6-7 times a winter when we go ski camping. I hate to lose any space for the rest of the year when I don't use it. So far I've just decided to bring a small Honda generator, couple gallons of extra gas and a 120v space heater when I need heat. Real easy to throw in and no issues unless you don't bring enough extra fuel.
But the heaters are still tempting.... _________________ 71 Westy 1600 DP, all stock Bus 1
1970's Snow Trac 1600 SP (sold 12/2016)
1968 Tucker sno cat, sold 2021
1969 Tucker Sno cat 542
2017 VW Alltrac
71 tin top stock 1600 DP (project but runs)
Twin 71 White Westy, Bus 2, that I pulled from a 15 year slumber in a dry eastern WA field in 2015.
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1970fun Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2008 Posts: 209 Location: Holland
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 11:28 am Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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Here is my install of a diesel heater, i went for the 2 KW and i’m running it on kerosene.
I didn’t wanted any holes in the original laminate so i converted the magazine box behind the jump seat.
All this can be build back to original as i didn’t drill any holes other then the inlet in the side and the outlet in the bottom of the magazine box.
For the outlet i used the original fresh air vent and sockets from the dashboard to give it a bit of that OG look and feel.
The heater is located under the seat next to the battery.
The controller is behind the passenger seat.
The 5 liter tank behind the driver seat.
And the exhaust with cover when not in use.
This thing is absolutely amazing very quiet and puts out a awefull lot of heat at very low cost, mostly the lowest setting is enough and with the kerosene it burns very clean. |
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22449 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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1970fun - very nice clean looking install. One of the best ones Ive seen. _________________
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scubasteve321 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 10:24 pm Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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wagohn wrote: |
wagohn wrote: |
vwwestyman wrote: |
Hmm... Having the exhaust connection inside the Bus makes me a little nervous for if there is a small leak.
They can be mounted sideways; perhaps you could turn it 90 degrees and have it mounted to the side of the spare tire well. Then the exhaust connection could be "outside" the interior of the Bus.
What are your plans for ducting the heat to wherever you want it? |
Not a bad idea. That is an issue, the exhaust fume possibility. Also, it needs to be reasonable easy to remove if I need to de-soot or change the glow-plug, etc. Still ruminating. |
Took a longer look today and I'm not sure the wheel well is going to work. The mounting plate sits about 3/4" above the bottom of the well, because of the curvature of the space. At first I wasn't concerned about this because I was convinced the heaters exhaust fitting could be made leak proof so no need for the plate to sit flush. What I overlooked is that the bus engine will make its own fumes and so those are going to come up into the living area, through the non-flush fitting, when going down the road.
There doesn't seem to be a "no brainer" location for these things. |
no brainer isn't entertaining though, is it?
The mounting plate is designed to mount flat, so, by necessity, your desired location will take some fabricating
Figure out how you need to attach it securely in the wheel well, and have your two exit holes through the wheel well; seal those up appropriately and wallah, no fumes coming in or out _________________ 1971 Campmobile Tin-Top
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15144 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 6:13 am Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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the heaters can mount with the exhaust/intake mounted down or out the side.
the glowplug needs to be orientated up so make sure it's not upside down if you go with a side outlet mounting configuration _________________
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vwwestyman Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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I know the "name brand" heaters can be mounted outside of the vehicle (and that's how I've mounted mine). It occurs to me that you could mount a cheap heater underneath and protect it with a splash shield. Could probably seal the case up with some silicone too. (I did that with mine for a while, though didn't bother redoing it when I had to open the case one time.) And you'd likely be a-ok. And they are cheap, so if it eventually gets wet, just replace it! _________________ Dave Cook
President, Wild Westerner Club
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wagohn Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 10:43 am Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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wagohn wrote: |
Took a longer look today and I'm not sure the wheel well is going to work. The mounting plate sits about 3/4" above the bottom of the well, because of the curvature of the space. At first I wasn't concerned about this because I was convinced the heaters exhaust fitting could be made leak proof so no need for the plate to sit flush. What I overlooked is that the bus engine will make its own fumes and so those are going to come up into the living area, through the non-flush fitting, when going down the road.
There doesn't seem to be a "no brainer" location for these things. |
Change of plans. I now want to put the heater in the closet that holds the spare tire. The following pic with gas tank is just a mock-up. I plan to install some type of shelf for the tank.
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1970fun Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 11:30 am Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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notchboy wrote: |
1970fun - very nice clean looking install. One of the best ones Ive seen. |
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wagohn Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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Finished up placing the heater in the spare tire location. The fuel tank is behind the driver's seat but may be relocated in the future. So far, it's working great. 😊
_________________ 1976 VW Transporter, 2.0 FI Engine |
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wagohn Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: Installing a Cheap Chinese Diesel Parking Heater |
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Just to wrap our install up, we vented to behind the driver's seat and used an old VW vent as it's directional. Also added a smaller tank that draws from the top of the tank, so as to remove the likelihood of a leak.
Will report back if things melt.
_________________ 1976 VW Transporter, 2.0 FI Engine |
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