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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:06 pm    Post subject: '63 Ghia - Second Chance Reply with quote

Look what came home with me early this morning Exclamation

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Lots to report and many images shot today - my first day of ownership. This Ghia has been off the road since 1981 and was pulled from a collapsing and scheduled for demo barn Shocked

More later...
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:47 pm    Post subject: Re: '63 Ghia - Second Chance Reply with quote

What’s with all the purple Ghias showing up lately?
Don’t get me wrong, I painted mine purple too.
My wife insists it’s brown, but that’s another story.
This makes the second newly acquired purple Ghia I’ve seen today.
I would say it’s spooky but Halloween is long past.

It is exciting though.
Congrats and thanks for saving another one.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:59 pm    Post subject: Re: '63 Ghia - Second Chance Reply with quote

I think the plan was a purple-black back in the 1970s- but it came out more “Huskie (UW) purple” according to the PO😊. Under the purple, it’s yellow, under that is the original Polar Blue Smile The layers seem thin...hmm
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:17 pm    Post subject: Re: '63 Ghia - Second Chance Reply with quote

You can only hide a purple Ghia for so long. I'm waiting for Metal flake tops to be found.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:02 pm    Post subject: Re: '63 Ghia - Second Chance Reply with quote

Looking forward to more photos and information on you find.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:10 pm    Post subject: Re: '63 Ghia - Second Chance Reply with quote

Just gonna post some photos of the extraction and delivery for today! This car has been parked since 1981 Shocked

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Rolled OK and the e brake seems to work still, so that's cool Rolling Eyes

Dropped off at my place:

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More photos tomorrow of details and the engine and interior. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:51 am    Post subject: Re: '63 Ghia - Second Chance Reply with quote

Looks like a fun project to me! Hit me up with a parts list.... I'm not too far away!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:10 am    Post subject: Re: '63 Ghia - Second Chance Reply with quote

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That’s the money shot! Looks like it’s posing for a brochure.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:24 pm    Post subject: Re: '63 Ghia - Second Chance Reply with quote

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1963 Karmann Ghia

Here’s why I’m calling this this story “Second Chances”- Back in 1994, my new wife and I were looking for a fun little car to go on short trips and have as a second car. We decided on a bright blue (smurf color) ’64 Ghia. We had a lot of fun with that car – our first of many classics VWs – including and epic drive to Hot August Nights in Reno.

Flash forward – through college, a baby, new jobs, and several moves….and the Ghia – looking a little beat up and worse for wear, was sold in 2002. Sad day, but it was sold to a nice family for a father-daughter project.

Forward again- 17 years- lots of car fun along the way – including my epic Type 3 Truck restoration- and my thinking again about a new project. Ghias have never really left my mind – just so beautiful and charming. So when an ad came up for this ’63 at a good price, I had to have a look! The problem is, I was “guy number five” to respond to the ad – missed out- someone else got it! Or so I thought…
Two weeks later, I got a phone call, asking if I was still interested (there’s a second chance right there!)…
OF course, I said YES!

Here’s another reason to call this a Second Chance – this car was nearly crushed by a collapsing barn/garage roof. In Feb of this year, the Puget Sound received about a foot of heavy wet snow- an usual amount for our area – we missed several days of school. The circa 1900 barn where the Ghia was sleeping with the cats- could not handle the load and partially collapsed. The poor Ghia earned a couple of new dents and the owner decided it was time to move it along and demolish the entire structure- just too rotten to save.

The purple car has its’ own interesting history. The car was last titled in 1976, last registered in 1981. The previous owner bought it when he was 20 years old! Drove it to school (UW Seattle) and early on with a career at Boeing. One day, the brakes were not there at a stop sign – see the evidence on the car’s nose! The front bumper was smashed up and tossed and the rear was later removed to match (?). Not long after, a police officer issued a ticket for driving without bumpers. The car was parked for repairs.

That was 1981; the car was moved shortly after that into the old barn when the new old house was purchased….and that is where it stayed for nearly 40 years until that snowstorm in early 2019.

So here we go! Here’s the run-down of the Ghia’s current condition:
Rust assessment- front quarters showing signs no big holes yet
Rear quarter behind wheels – showing signs worse on driver’s side
Lower edge of engine lid is rotten – worst visual rust on the car (I’m aware there may be hidden nastiness)
Front nose is not really rusty – just smashed up from the accident
Front trunk gasket channel is pitted and scaly in spots but I do not see holes
Package tray under rear window looks sketchy but I haven’t really exposed it to see for sure how bad
Under driver’s side quarter, window trim is rusty
The headlight buckets are starting show Ghia-typical trouble but not too far gone I suspect

On a positive note-, the rockers and the pan are solid!

Mechanical-
The engine is there…
Not sure if it original or not, I have an extra carb and stock air cleaner that came with it.
I can see that’s a 009 distributor and an extractor/header exhaust minus a muffler.
Also, it’s still 6V.
Beyond that, more research is required!
It was “running when parked” but last time an attempt was made to turn it over – a pushrod was bent and the engine seems to be stuck now. The dipstick does not show any oil.
Gas tank is empty but not too stinky or dirty – not sure!
No brakes – but the e brake feels like it is working – it grabbed a couple of times when we were loading and unloading on the tow truck.
It steers…
Those are 1970s tires.

Everything looks like a sunken shipwreck – dry rubber and surface rust galore BUT the doors open and close (oiled them) the windows are all good – no cracks or chips and the pop-outs work well and the windows roll up and down smoothly!

Transmission does seem to sluggish move/respond to shifter – PO said it had been recently replaced before the accident.

OK – check that interior!!!

Awesome 70s diamond pleat back vinyl in good shape! Love it! Good headliner – nice carpet and door panels- just some repairs needed… Original radio face-plate and knob are in the box of parts. Not really wanting to rip out the well installed carpet like so many other old cars I’ve restored before- I know rust is likely hiding under there- however, given the condition of the pan and the rockers- I think I will leave it alone.

Enjoy the photos and let me know what you think!

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Rust and Body Details-
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Interior-
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Engine and a trunk full of parts-
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:44 pm    Post subject: Re: '63 Ghia - Second Chance Reply with quote

Hi ,

i am also restoring a 63 KG , also came out of Washington.
Seems like a nice project.
Lots of work ...
I see your blinkers are orange coloured ,originally they should be non coloured.But then i saw you had the original ones in the trunk.Good, while they are expensive...
Nice interior, hope you also have the 2 on each side lower inner door trimms too.Hard to find...
You have the later non stale motor which is also good ,mine has the stale type.It changed somewhere in august 63 I believe.

Lots of succes
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:47 pm    Post subject: Re: '63 Ghia - Second Chance Reply with quote

oh yes, you should remove the fuel filter from the motor compartement.
fire hazzard...
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:39 pm    Post subject: Re: '63 Ghia - Second Chance Reply with quote

Any advice on the motor?
You can see the bent push rod Crying or Very sad

I'm thinking that I pull the spark plugs
Maybe put a hot plate under the engine
Add Diesel or Marvel Mystery Oil or SeaFoam or Kroil ???
See if it will turn by hand at the crank.

Or just skip ahead to yank it out and tear down or replace outright!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: '63 Ghia - Second Chance Reply with quote

dc wrote:
Any advice on the motor?
You can see the bent push rod Crying or Very sad

I'm thinking that I pull the spark plugs
Maybe put a hot plate under the engine
Add Diesel or Marvel Mystery Oil or SeaFoam or Kroil ???
See if it will turn by hand at the crank.

Or just skip ahead to yank it out and tear down or replace outright!


Bent pushrod isn't good. They usually take out a push rod tube if they look like that!! Its definately a 40 horse, so it might be original. I personally haven't had good luck unsticking a stuck motor. Lots of times its a piston ring rusted to the cylinder, but your bent push rod may tell a different story.

Out of curiosity, tell me more about your '64. I sold my custom blue '64 in Washington in '94 and never saw it again. Could it be the one??
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:14 pm    Post subject: Re: '63 Ghia - Second Chance Reply with quote

Bought the blue '64 in North Idaho back in '95
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:19 pm    Post subject: Re: '63 Ghia - Second Chance Reply with quote

dc wrote:
Bought the blue '64 in North Idaho back in '95


Gotcha. Well, I was in Oregon and the car was shipped to Olympia to a "trader". My feeling was that it went overseas. It would be wild to find it still in the NW!!

I currently have a '66 that was an original Seattle car and parked since '86 until I got it going in '16... but not without full new running gear. Glad to see you got lots of the smaller bits for your '63. I look forward to seeing your progress!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:09 pm    Post subject: Re: '63 Ghia - Second Chance Reply with quote

50% acetone and 50 ATF mixed fill the cyl.s and let sit over night then turn CCW IMPORTANT!! that way a valve is always open so you don't hydrolic and bend a rod. That mix is the best penetrating oil there is.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:06 am    Post subject: Re: '63 Ghia - Second Chance Reply with quote

I'm digging the groovy interior. It adds a touch of period nostalgia to the car.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:24 am    Post subject: Re: '63 Ghia - Second Chance Reply with quote

Congrats on the '63!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:47 am    Post subject: Re: '63 Ghia - Second Chance Reply with quote

Thanks!
Really excited about this car but not entirely sure how to proceed-

Tentatively thinking:
metal work - nose and rear deck edge for starters
soak engine cylinder to see if it is saveable
Get a new 6V battery - maybe?
replace tires- powdercoat wheels
brakes
get the doors to latch properly - install missing rubber seals
trunk metal repair - get it to latch properly
treat trunk seal channel and install seal
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:17 pm    Post subject: Re: '63 Ghia - Second Chance Reply with quote

dc wrote:
Thanks!
Really excited about this car but not entirely sure how to proceed-

Tentatively thinking:
metal work - nose and rear deck edge for starters
soak engine cylinder to see if it is saveable
Get a new 6V battery - maybe?
replace tires- powdercoat wheels
brakes
get the doors to latch properly - install missing rubber seals
trunk metal repair - get it to latch properly
treat trunk seal channel and install seal


Yup. Little by little. I have a 63 myself.
Follow the forums. There is a ton of knowledgable people on here. If not for them, I wouldnt be able to tackle a lot of issues and enjoy my hobbie for that matter.
Looking forward to following your build!
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