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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:58 pm    Post subject: Heinous Sin Against Nature... There's a 72 Type 4 in my 71 Bus! Reply with quote

Here's my bus:



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Here's the horrible secret lurking in the back:


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Shocked Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Heinous Sin Against Nature... There's a 72 Type 4 in my 71 Bus! Reply with quote

Here's what I intend to do about it:


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Heinous Sin Against Nature... There's a 72 Type 4 in my 71 Bus! Reply with quote

MountainKeep wrote:


Here's the horrible secret lurking in the back:


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pfft. watch this Laughing

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if that's a horrible secret I have no idea what to call mine Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Heinous Sin Against Nature... There's a 72 Type 4 in my 71 Bus! Reply with quote

Hello,
Damn, Skills. That is clean....
At times, it's good to be sinful...
Oh, and Mountainkeep.
Very nice bus you have there.
Yet, your avitar is a little too much info... at least for me. No offense implied.
I'm glad to see your a happy girl though...


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Heinous Sin Against Nature... There's a 72 Type 4 in my 71 Bus! Reply with quote

While that conversion is obviously a hack,

i'll bet you'll miss it when it comes time to drive the thing with that 'new' motor.

If that were mine,
I'd be re-doing the conversion with a proper mount bar and upright fan..
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Heinous Sin Against Nature... There's a 72 Type 4 in my 71 Bus! Reply with quote

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i'll bet you'll miss it when it comes time to drive the thing with that 'new' motor.

If that were mine,
I'd be re-doing the conversion with a proper mount bar and upright fan..


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that fucking thing looks like it drove through a J.C. Whitney catalogue and hit everything on the way out Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Heinous Sin Against Nature... There's a 72 Type 4 in my 71 Bus! Reply with quote

Hack job! That's original German angle iron in my bus! Laughing

Nothing wrong with type 4's.. I just that I want to make my 71 a 71 again... with that new-fangled "engine tin" stuff that everybody keeps talking about and all!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Heinous Sin Against Nature... There's a 72 Type 4 in my 71 Bus! Reply with quote

Hope this avatar is more to your liking Angus II... Me in my blacksmith shop. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Heinous Sin Against Nature... There's a 72 Type 4 in my 71 Bus! Reply with quote

So you have a type 4 conversion and want to put a 73 type 1 bug engine into your 71 type2 bus. Can you give specifics on what parts you are planing to use? Maybe some pictures. Firewall tin, transmission, brackets, and etc Maybe these guys can answer in detail what you will need to do and get.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Heinous Sin Against Nature... There's a 72 Type 4 in my 71 Bus! Reply with quote

Thanks for your post Xevin. I would love to put my bus back to stock as I can afford to get it. I know it will be slower, but that is fine with me. I wish I could afford a freshly rebuilt 71 motor, but this is the best I can find locally and in my price range. This new motor is a '73 1600 dp out of a Super Beetle supposedly (AH317186).
I believe I still have the original 3 rib transmission in the bus currently. I have a 71 rear apron to replace the one they took a torch to. I have a "71 only" firewall tin on the way.... along with the oil cooler tin that goes through it. I have the original mustache bar, but I will unfortunately have to use the hotly debated adapter, as there is no metal to drill and tap on this motor. I think this motor has been used in a bus before because there are extra long studs on the oil pump cover already... At least motor mount brackets on the frame were spared the torch... so that's good. I will be looking for some replacement sheet metal for the sides of the motor bay that they cut out. I may have to blacksmith up something and weld it in to close up the holes on either side. I will also be looking for the original breather set up.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Heinous Sin Against Nature... There's a 72 Type 4 in my 71 Bus! Reply with quote

Oh, and I will be getting the rear tin/breast plate for this new motor soon as well. And I will have to do a little more research to see if I will need another 30 amp voltage regulator for the generator. They left the old one in the bus... I just don't know if it works.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Heinous Sin Against Nature... There's a 72 Type 4 in my 71 Bus! Reply with quote

and I'd just suggest a new muffler too... single exhaust to the side.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Heinous Sin Against Nature... There's a 72 Type 4 in my 71 Bus! Reply with quote

And check those manifold heat risers are clean.

No expert on trans and engine compatibility. Is it a 3rib that originally came with a type 4 engine?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Heinous Sin Against Nature... There's a 72 Type 4 in my 71 Bus! Reply with quote

Hello,
If they left the original voltage regulator in place, it would be an 38 amp. regulator; not 30 amp.
The 71 bus came with an 38 amp generator, dished mounting plate/tin and wider fan. To go with the dog house tin and cooler.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Heinous Sin Against Nature... There's a 72 Type 4 in my 71 Bus! Reply with quote

I will check the heat risers, thanks. And I believe the three rib transmission was used in '71 with a 1600... So I'm thinking/hoping it will work with this '73 1600.
And yes I hope to get the right exhaust set up as well.
And someone here on the samba said I would need a 30 amp for a bug motor.. I really don't know what I need in that regard.
And Angus, I use coal... I prefer metallurgical grade bituminous.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Heinous Sin Against Nature... There's a 72 Type 4 in my 71 Bus! Reply with quote

Don’t forget to find or fab a brake booster compatible intake manifold!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Heinous Sin Against Nature... There's a 72 Type 4 in my 71 Bus! Reply with quote

Nice Bus, I have the correct intake with the proper port for brake booster, PM for details
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:10 am    Post subject: Re: Heinous Sin Against Nature... There's a 72 Type 4 in my 71 Bus! Reply with quote

Thanks y'all. That's a useful bit of information. I hadn't known there was no port for a brake booster on this new motor. I will have to look into that. Yay! More time and money! But some people think having functioning brakes is important... Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:27 am    Post subject: Re: Heinous Sin Against Nature... There's a 72 Type 4 in my 71 Bus! Reply with quote

MountainKeep wrote:
Thanks y'all. That's a useful bit of information. I hadn't known there was no port for a brake booster on this new motor. I will have to look into that. Yay! More time and money! But some people think having functioning brakes is important... Laughing


I mean, your brakes will still FUNCTION, but they'll need a few hundred pounds of pressure to lock the wheels… Laughing

The manifold can't be swapped with the engine in, so solve this issue before proceeding. The manifold off a '71+ Auto-Stick Type 1 will also work, as it has the same vacuum take-off port.

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Here is a factory "moustache bar" aka the rear engine carrier bar.

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It supports the engine from three threaded mounts in a factory bus engine case.

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If you don't have those holes on your bug engine case, you'll need to pick up an adapter, which is occasionally frowned upon, but often used successfully on cars that don't see marathon drives and rough off-roading.

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I've never been to North Carolina, but if it's ever above 25% humidity or below 75°f, you'll want working preheated air for your carburetor. This here is a "stove pipe" and it installs before the rear breast tin. It connects to the stock air filter to take in warm air from around the heads and encourage proper fuel atomization.

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I'm sure the good folks here will have more to say as you post more pictures.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:30 am    Post subject: Re: Heinous Sin Against Nature... There's a 72 Type 4 in my 71 Bus! Reply with quote

you can make some of that money back by selling your running type4 that you have now. Best to take the buyer for a ride and let them hear/see it run before you pull it. (dibbs!)
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