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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9756 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:38 pm Post subject: Tried everything to get the engine to run right. |
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So after I broke the transmission in my 67 last June.
I have been unable to get the engine to run correctly.
My engine is running weakly! Like it is on 2 cylinders. But not. The engine will idle once warmed to operating temp.
I drove the car last Tuesday and matted the throttle pedal in 2nd gear. This should have spun the rear tires on a wet street. It didn't!
I have done the following checks/fixes trying to get the engine run right. To no avail!
I didn't "shotgun" these changes. After every step. I tested the engine running condition.
Adjusted the valve lash. No change.
Point gap. No change.
Replaced the points. Timing adjusted. No change.
Swapped the distributor (from a 009 to a 010) with new spark plugs and wires. Timing adjusted. No change.
Cleaned the carbs. No change.
Checked and synced the carbs. Verified the carb flow and linkage were synced. No change.
Pulled the carb jets and cleaned then with, carb cleaner. Blew out the jets with compressed air. No change..
BTW, the intake manifolds are tight and there are no vacuum leaks.
To date I haven't ran a leak down test or compression test.
I'm at a loss as to what's going on with this engine. The engine just seems gutless. This poor running came on, all of the sudden on an evening drive. The power went from set me back in the seat back. To weak acceleration and poor running.
I have a free weekend and want to get this fixed (with your help) by Sunday afternoon.
2180cc
86b cam
Tim's stage 2 heads. Match ported intakes
Dellorto 45's, Jetting will be posted tomorrow. The jetting as is, ran 14.4 in the 1/4 mile last June 2nd.
1.58th CSP EVO exhaust, with 1 5/8th heater boxes and dual mufflers.
Any idea's stand out?
I'm lost as to where to look further. _________________ I have learned over the years.
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Davada66 Samba Member
Joined: July 07, 2017 Posts: 61
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Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: Tried everything to get the engine to run right. |
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YOU GOT YOUR FIRING ORDER RIGHT 1432? WHEN IT RUNNING TURN THE DISTRIBUTOR UNTIL IT RUN BETTER. |
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FreeBug Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2012 Posts: 4278 Location: deepest, darkest Switzerland
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Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: Tried everything to get the engine to run right. |
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Do that compression test, something must show signs of a malfunction... What do the plugs look like? Side-to-side comparison?
Have you run it in the dark, looking for electrical leaks?
A baffle come loose in the exhaust? (I say this because you say it went from good to bad in an instant)
Nothing chassis related? Rubbing brakes, 'frinstance.
Fuel flow volume and pressure?
jut throwing out ideas... |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12709 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: Tried everything to get the engine to run right. |
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Any chance the new transaxle has a higher final drive ratio? |
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vwracerdave Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:38 pm Post subject: Re: Tried everything to get the engine to run right. |
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Check the throttle cable to make sure it is opening the carbs all the way and the barrel nut is tight so the cable isn't slipping and pulling loose. Don't laugh but I have see a rock get wedged under the gas peddle inside the car not allowing full throttle. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
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rugblaster Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2016 Posts: 1170 Location: San Angelo, Texas
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Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: Tried everything to get the engine to run right. |
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The very first thing to do is a leakdown test. There is no need in doing anything until you know the internals of the motor are in good shape. Otherwise, your pissin' in the wind. (mild Jerry Jeff Walker reference) _________________ '69 Karmy, '69 Camper, Meyers clone, '65 drag bug, 10.78 @ 128 (sold it) '51 Dodge farm truck,
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Olli from NJ Samba Member
Joined: May 10, 2007 Posts: 302 Location: Milton,DE
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:15 am Post subject: Re: Tried everything to get the engine to run right. |
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Cam going flat? |
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RWK Samba Member
Joined: June 24, 2009 Posts: 1348 Location: S.W. MI
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:01 am Post subject: Re: Tried everything to get the engine to run right. |
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Plug wires? didn't see that on list _________________ 73 Type 181
63 Type 113
63 Type 261- 428 071
62 Type 241-378 025 178 530 |
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rayjay Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2008 Posts: 1505 Location: Buford GA
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:01 am Post subject: Re: Tried everything to get the engine to run right. |
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I agree that a compression test should be the first thing BUT, if the carb sync is still spot on then I doubt it's the compression. A weak cyl isn't going to be sucking as hard and the sync tool would have shown a major difference.
I would definitely check the throttle cable.
I will gift you a nugget of wisdom I have acquired since 1970. When something weird like this crops up immediately after you've worked on a previously perfectly running car it's most likely something you messed up on. It's not some totally new problem. Work your way back through the job you just did until you find your mistake. |
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RWK Samba Member
Joined: June 24, 2009 Posts: 1348 Location: S.W. MI
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:03 am Post subject: Re: Tried everything to get the engine to run right. |
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Sorry saw it after re read _________________ 73 Type 181
63 Type 113
63 Type 261- 428 071
62 Type 241-378 025 178 530 |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9756 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:57 am Post subject: Re: Tried everything to get the engine to run right. |
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Thank you for the input so far.
The gear ratios in the new trans are stock. It's a pro street build. I broke the spider gears on the stock trans.
The firing order is correct. Although, the way the engine is running. Makes it seem like I have the firing order off. I have checked it many times to make sure it is correct. I'm having a hard time describing the problem.
I'll check the throttle cable. But the issue is that the engine is down on power. There is no stone under the pedal preventing full throttle.
If a cam lobe was going flat. I imagine that the carbs would not flow at the same rate carb throat to carb throat.
The spark plug wires are new 8.2mm CB wires. Distributor cap is new. Points are new. Condenser??? Used but was working last time I had the 010 dist. on the engine.
Fuel flow? I'll check that too this morning. The fuel pressure is regulated by a Malpassi regulator. I haven't monkied with the regulator. It has been flawless in performance since I installed it. But it is something worth checking.
Regarding the last thing I did maintenance wise before this issue cropped up. Nothing! The engine was reinstalled by the trans builder after a warranty repair. The builder is a top notch mechanic locally. And I trust his work.
Once the sun comes up and frost melts. I'll get to work! _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2003 Posts: 4863 Location: Harmony, PA
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:05 am Post subject: Re: Tried everything to get the engine to run right. |
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Did this all happen with the transaxle change? If so, maybe check the ground strap.
I’ve had two problems I’ve come across that seemed as if they would never be solved, and they finally were once I started checking things that could have NEVER caused the issue. By all means check the obvious, but once that’s done check the non-obvious. |
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Type 5 Joe Banned
Joined: January 18, 2003 Posts: 1795 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:23 am Post subject: Re: Tried everything to get the engine to run right. |
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Fouled Plugs. _________________ If you would like to contact me, just email through one of my ads on here...
I don't use the P.M. service on here. |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9756 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:33 am Post subject: Re: Tried everything to get the engine to run right. |
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Joe, Fresh plug when I swapped the distributor. I thought that was the issue. No change after the plug change and dist. swap.
Keeton, that's one thing I have not had a look at. I'll check it out. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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FreeBug Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2012 Posts: 4278 Location: deepest, darkest Switzerland
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Tried everything to get the engine to run right. |
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For the fuel, it's the volume flow vs. time which is important for starvation. |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9756 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:14 am Post subject: Re: Tried everything to get the engine to run right. |
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FreeBug wrote: |
For the fuel, it's the volume flow vs. time which is important for starvation. |
I'm running a Carter 60504 (IIRC) FP. It has never let me down on filling the float bowls. Except at about the 3/4 mark on the track.
The poor running issue is noticeable, just sitting still. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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FreeBug Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2012 Posts: 4278 Location: deepest, darkest Switzerland
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:20 am Post subject: Re: Tried everything to get the engine to run right. |
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Does the engine turn over freely by hand?
Have you tried squirting a little gas into each throat successively to see what happens? You might be able to rule out fuel issues, and go on to something else.
Can you measure dwell on your points?
Stabbing in the dark, here... |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9756 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Tried everything to get the engine to run right. |
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FreeBug wrote: |
Does the engine turn over freely by hand?
Have you tried squirting a little gas into each throat successively to see what happens? You might be able to rule out fuel issues, and go on to something else.
Can you measure dwell on your points?
Stabbing in the dark, here... |
I'll give the fuel test a shot. It can't hurt.
Sadly the dwell meters I have don't work.
But I do appreciate your input from half way around the world. You have given me a few ideas on what to look for. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
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jason Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:42 am Post subject: Re: Tried everything to get the engine to run right. |
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Do leak down, check each mixture screw for a change at idle. Don’t think your idle circuit is clogged though, would go away when you stomp on it. What’s timing set at? Have a picture? |
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Type 5 Joe Banned
Joined: January 18, 2003 Posts: 1795 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 10:06 am Post subject: Re: Tried everything to get the engine to run right. |
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Check your running voltage at the coil.
Low electrical power = low power.
Funky wiring, dying battery / Generator, etc... Have been the cause of this many times that I have seen.
I have also seen defective new spark plugs. _________________ If you would like to contact me, just email through one of my ads on here...
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