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Critter1 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:04 am Post subject: Side marker light wire into body... |
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Does anyone here have a side marker car with a front fender off?
Im looking for a pic of the location of where the side marker light wires go into the body, and what size the hole is for the grommet.
Thanks. _________________ Justin |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 33991 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Critter1 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:15 am Post subject: Re: Side marker light wire into body... |
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Thanks Phil... What I need is the location on the body and hole size on the body where the wires go through.
These are great threads but mostly focus on marker location measurements and how to wire them.
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KTPhil Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Side marker light wire into body... |
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The holes are already there, one per side. I am told there is no ambiguity as there is just one anywhere near the area. I had ISPwest do mine so I have no photos of that area to show you. It passes through just one panel directly into the passenger compartment. I believe there is a closed rubber grommet there from the factory.
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22407 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Side marker light wire into body... |
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Critter1 wrote: |
Thanks Phil... What I need is the location on the body and hole size on the body where the wires go through.
These are great threads but mostly focus on marker location measurements and how to wire them.
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Maybe these will help.
You can see the wire sticking out about the bottom center of the pic.
If you notice, on the left side my antenna wire is in the same hole (bottom center of pic). I had to make my own fender hole on the fender for the antenna. I didn't want to drill another hole in the main body, so I used the existing one.
I want to say the hole size is 13mm. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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KTPhil Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:53 am Post subject: Re: Side marker light wire into body... |
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BINGO! |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22407 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: Side marker light wire into body... |
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Yeah, got lucky I had those pics of it, as I was replacing the cowl section on mine. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
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People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Critter1 Samba Member
Joined: August 04, 2004 Posts: 1575 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: Side marker light wire into body... |
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Interesting. The holes are already there... Its been so long since I pulled my front fenders, I assumed those holes where fender mount holes. This is a '67 that did not come from factory with side markers. I guess it was easier at the factory to punch the holes in every body off the line. The holes do seem the same size as the fender mount holes..
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: Side marker light wire into body... |
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Critter1 wrote: |
Interesting. The holes are already there... Its been so long since I pulled my front fenders, I assumed those holes where fender mount holes. This is a '67 that did not come from factory with side markers. I guess it was easier at the factory to punch the holes in every body off the line. The holes do seem the same size as the fender mount holes..
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Yup, that's it. VW probably punched the hole there on all of the bodies, and put a rubber plug there in case someone mounted an antenna on the right side, versus the left side (in countries without side marker lights). _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
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ataraxia Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 4504 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: Side marker light wire into body... |
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Are the later cars different? All of the cars I've owned with side markers have a separate hole lower than the fender holes.
This is on my 64 with factory side markers:
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22448 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:22 am Post subject: Re: Side marker light wire into body... |
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Sorry was bored so searched for some others. Keep in mind that all type 3's through 73 could have side markers. Just other markets than US.
These are all earlies like ataraxia posed. I always thought that hole you guys first described was for the antenna.
Found a shot of this old fart.
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22407 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:57 am Post subject: Re: Side marker light wire into body... |
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notchboy wrote: |
Sorry was bored so searched for some others. Keep in mind that all type 3's through 73 could have side markers. Just other markets than US.
These are all earlies like ataraxia posed. I always thought that hole you guys first described was for the antenna.
Found a shot of this old fart.
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I wonder if it's the difference between early and late 60's, since Critter's car is a 67?
I still look like that too Jason, only a little more gray added. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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notchboy Samba Member
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ataraxia Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 4504 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: Side marker light wire into body... |
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The grommet that gets the wire through the body is applicable until 71 or 72, IIRC so the hole should be in the same place. I've not seen a late car with side markers so I couldn't say if the hole was moved but it seems odd that VW would bother to move it given the routing of the wire to the fender. |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: Side marker light wire into body... |
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notchboy wrote: |
What year was krunchy? Its a later yeah? It should of had markers no? |
Krunchy was a 71 Canadian market car. No side markers, as it was a North American spec build (red tail lights). _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
Tram wrote: |
"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Critter1 Samba Member
Joined: August 04, 2004 Posts: 1575 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: Side marker light wire into body... |
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So if the pics Notchboy posted have factory drilled holes for the side marker lights, then the holes on my 67 body (which are the same on both sides of the car) and on Bobnotch body would be specifically for an antenna? There is room in that upper hole for a couple side marker wires along with an antenna wire I guess. But I do like the idea of the separate hole for the side marker wires.
I’ll go ahead and get a couple small grommets and drill fresh holes for my wires. _________________ Justin
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: Side marker light wire into body... |
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ataraxia wrote: |
The grommet that gets the wire through the body is applicable until 71 or 72, IIRC so the hole should be in the same place. I've not seen a late car with side markers so I couldn't say if the hole was moved but it seems odd that VW would bother to move it given the routing of the wire to the fender. |
On late model cars, I think it became a "what market is it for?" kind of deal. In looking at the pics of my old 71, I don't see any hole(s) for a side marker light. I did clip the front of that car due to excessive rust, so any holes in or about the same area as ataraxia's would have disappeared with the missing metal. The replacement metal didn't have any holes there. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
Tram wrote: |
"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Dlglobal1 Samba Member
Joined: March 25, 2013 Posts: 350 Location: Denmark
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: Side marker light wire into body... |
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Side marker on my 70 prior to repair
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notchboy Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: Side marker light wire into body... |
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Looks like an early-late thing? Notice the earlies don't have the antenna hole as well. _________________
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1964 T34 S Convertible
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: Side marker light wire into body... |
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Going off David's pic, my 71 did have a hole there.
No left shot of that area in my Gallery . Sorry.
But now that I know where to look on a late model, yes both the old and replacement front clips had a hole there as seen below.
So these holes must be in all Type 3s, and just be an early, versus late location. Don't know when the last year was for the forward lower hole, as mine is up high on my 65 like Critter's 67, and the late model cars. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
Tram wrote: |
"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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