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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:11 pm    Post subject: My 1970 Elm Green Squareback (Joann) Reply with quote

Hello, I’m new to the type 3 world, I’m currently restoring a 1964 beetle sunroof, so I have some ideas. I was looking on Craigslist and have seen this car for a while and looked into it and realized it was a nice car for $700. I’m thinking of getting it running, going through, fixing systems, and get it on the road. I honestly never looked much into type3s being more in the beetle forms. But this ad, the seats looked original and good, so I started looking more at it. I noticed the tires look original too with lots of other things. Based on what I see it looks like it could be a survivor. I got in contact with the person, he said it has a TITLE! He said the last time it was on the road was 1980 and it has a seized engine with a large roof dent. He said he would go down on price, I think I could pay $500 for it. Does it seem to be a good deal, Thoughts?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:19 am    Post subject: Re: 1970 Elm Green Squareback on Craigslist Reply with quote

In type 3 land, it is all about the floors!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:14 am    Post subject: Re: 1970 Elm Green Squareback on Craigslist Reply with quote

He said it had one hole in the battery tray
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:12 am    Post subject: Re: 1970 Elm Green Squareback on Craigslist Reply with quote

That roof looks a lil wrinkly.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:50 pm    Post subject: Re: 1970 Elm Green Squareback on Craigslist Reply with quote

I bet most of that roof dent will just pop out. Like most VWs, a hole in the battery tray is almost standard equipment. For 500, you could do worse. I know I've rebuilt worse type 3s (look in my signature). Wink

Edit; I think I've seen pics of this car on here before. Is it in the Ann Arbor area? If so, then I've seen pics of it before. The seller was asking good money for it at the time. I want to say 1K to 1500 for it back then.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: My 1970 Elm Green Squareback Reply with quote

Well, it isn’t just a Squareback on Craigslist. I now own it for $500! Very nice guy I got it from. It only has 35,000 some miles! Images coming!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:25 pm    Post subject: Re: My 1970 Elm Green Squareback Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:58 pm    Post subject: Re: My 1970 Elm Green Squareback Reply with quote

It was sold from Thunder Bay Imports in Alpena Michigan to Joann Allen on June 19, 1970. All of the original booklets are there. They have the dealer stamps, some of the maintenance stamps, the oil changes are all recorded.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:44 pm    Post subject: Re: My 1970 Elm Green Squareback Reply with quote

I got it washed on the way home. Tomorrow I plan to clean it out. It is pretty solid, the front fenders have some rust issues. In the pictures I’m standing in front of the car.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:22 pm    Post subject: Re: My 1970 Elm Green Squareback Reply with quote

That paint will look nice down the road for sure. Nice condition for your region and a complete vehicle it appears. Do take your time and yes rebuild the engine for sure. Once you drive a solid running stopping type three you will be surprised by the ride.
Do hope you obtained it for a nice price.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:56 pm    Post subject: Re: My 1970 Elm Green Squareback Reply with quote

THanks! Most of the paint is nice, but there are some rust issues. The front and rear of the right pan have some holes. I started cleaning the crap out today. For grins I put it forth and rocked it a bit and the engine turned easy so it isn’t actually seized like I though. I also found some rust holes in the trunk. The back of the car is solid, the front, well... I will post pictures tomorrow. The carpet had Buick rubber floor mats on them and it looks good. I hope to fix some of the rust tomorrow. I’m going to try to fix some rust tomorrow and finish cleaning.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:41 pm    Post subject: Re: My 1970 Elm Green Squareback Reply with quote

Looks like a mostly complete unmolested car for your 500. Your son looks like a proud new owner too. Wink Just make sure he does some of the work. Laughing
I bet most of that paint will clean up real good. Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:02 pm    Post subject: Re: My 1970 Elm Green Squareback Reply with quote

Lol, that’s me, my dad the helper! My dad is actually not the VW guy, I am! But he always helps when I need it, he’s very supportive of it. I really enjoy spend time with him.
Today I got the engine pulled, I labeled all of the wire with masking tape and wrote what they were. I have never truely “dropped” an engine since I took the engine off and on when the body was off on my beetle. You have to get the rear high, also having to support the transmission was new. I tested the electrical, the hazards work, the clock, headlight (high/low), some of the driving lights, and a few dash lights. It’s amazing the amount of rust it has for 36,000 miles, all the documentation points to that being correct. I think a lot was mice also Evil or Very Mad It did drive quite a few winter miles though, 5,000 in 75/76. I believe the car was park in 1976 because the husband was sick at the time and got put in storage, there are some things pointing to that. Here are a ton more pictures
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The color tag has some other thing on with it, interesting...

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:11 pm    Post subject: Re: My 1970 Elm Green Squareback Reply with quote

Here are a few more photos. Also, I think I’m going to name it Joann after the original owner.
Nice mouse nest
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:40 pm    Post subject: Re: My 1970 Elm Green Squareback Reply with quote

hahah damn, the seller said one hole in the battery tray? looks like a bit more than that. $500 is cheap though, great color too. good luck!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:58 am    Post subject: Re: My 1970 Elm Green Squareback Reply with quote

Oh Wow. Out west I would have not purchased that rusted of a vehicle. But back in rustosis regions you get what you can. Lots of critical rust repair ahead.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 7:54 am    Post subject: Re: My 1970 Elm Green Squareback Reply with quote

Yeah, a bit more rust than I hoped but it isn’t terrible. I came with a title so that is a rarity. I have some welding skills from replacing most all of the lower foot on my bug. The heater channels are fairly solid so that’s good, just a few small problem areas. The front hole in the floor pan was covered by the foot rest, and there was a huge mouse nest there. Even the engine tin has some bad rust out.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 8:24 am    Post subject: Re: My 1970 Elm Green Squareback Reply with quote

Okay, I will tell the hole story of what I was told about the car/ and what I figured out.
So the original owner Joann Allen bought it on June 19, 1970 from Thunder Bay Imports in Alpena Michigan. It looks like she lived in Clio at the time. By October of 1975, it had 29,760 miles on it when things started getting recorded. There is also 5 handwritten pages glued into the owners manual on how to work on it. My guess is that the husband did it and I know the husband got sick at some point, so I’m guessing he wrote it down for someone else to do the matinence and that’s why stuff started to get recorded. Then by March 15, 1976, the last record for it was an oil change at 34,257 miles. Then the put on 2,000 more and that’s when it got parked, I’m not sure it it was immediately put in a pole barn, maybe 1980? That was when I was told they stopped driving it due to the husbands health, maybe it was when it was put away. Then, the roof was so wrinkly because they had put abs wood on the roof and then stacked a bunch of roofing shingles in it, I’m guessing on other parts of the body too, based on the dents. Then fast forward to a few years ago, the lady’s son is selling it because she passed away. Then, the person I got it from bought it and took it home. He has wanted to fix it up but he is busy with a bus restoration and has kids that are getting older and wouldn’t have time to fix it up, also, he was planning on building a pool house where it sat, as in the Craigslist pictures, he had it stored in a canopy. Then, I came, bought it from him, and took it home. I have the title to transfer over to my name still because he never transfered it to his name. The title is from 1973, in Joann Allen’s name. Luckily, before she passed, she had signed her name on the title, so that will make life easier.
Then, over the years since it’s been sitting, the mice made a palace out of it and their pee causes things to rust out.
Edit: I belive her maiden name was Joann Loisell then the new title was to put it in her married name since it was Joann Allen
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:02 am    Post subject: Re: My 1970 Elm Green Squareback Reply with quote

I was looking through things and found the original window sticker!

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Some safety glasses to one of the Allens
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Then the handwritten instructions put in the owners manual
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It’s all really cool, the accessories book is really cool! It’s from VW, are they rare? I’m guessing in General it’s rare to find this much original paper work.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 10:14 am    Post subject: Re: My 1970 Elm Green Squareback Reply with quote

Nice documentation. Cool I think the hand written instructions were for a bug though, as the 70 SB has FI going off your engine pull pics.
The rust you're seeing on the front fenders is kind of standard equipment rust. Same applies for the rust behind the brake res, and above the fuel inlet pipe. I say that, because that metal is behind the boxed sections (reinforcements) that trap dirt and water. The rust on the right floor heat outlet is from a windshield leak (kind of normal). The front of the heater boxes are not normal, along with the front engine tin piece. Some of that can however be traced directly to rodent wizz. Wink
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