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jlrftype7 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:35 pm Post subject: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges |
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I’ve read the thread on the poster using Speedi-Sleeves for their Manual Trans seals. Does anyone know if there is a number for putting sleeves on the Drive Flanges of an Automatic, or are they the same as the Manual Transmissions? _________________ '68 Westy- my first VW and vehicle/Bus- long gone.- sold it to a traveling Swiss couple....
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tencentlife Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges |
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I almost said "same", but looked up the side seals and manual and auto have different p/n's. You'll need someone to mike a flange hub, or call VanCafe and have someone read the dimensions embossed on the seals for you. If seal ID is the same, sleeve will be the same. _________________ Shop for unique Vanagon accessories at the Vanistan shop:
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jlrftype7 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:26 pm Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges |
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Right, I knew there were different part numbers but haven’t a clue about seal dimensions. I’ve got two new seals on order from Van Cafe, so I’ll check them once they arrive.
I’ll pull a flange out this coming Saturday while I’m working on the Transmission if no one knows, and measure what we’ve got.
I was basically leak free for months after replacing the seals while doing the CVs, so I was surprised to see one side started leaking again this past weekend as I was running that new battery cable.....
Both Vents are perfect and move easily , so I suspect a worn spot on the drive flange . At least it’s not a gusher of a leak... _________________ '68 Westy- my first VW and vehicle/Bus- long gone.- sold it to a traveling Swiss couple....
'67 Type 3 Fastback, my 2nd car- gone
'69 Semi-Auto Stick Shift Beetle-gone
2017 MINI Coopers, our current DDs
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tencentlife Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:37 pm Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges |
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Yeah the side flanges are all so old most have a pretty good groove worn in and are asking to be sleeved.
Lip seals have the sizing embossed in the rubber cover, so no need to measure the flange to know, the nominal hub size is right there. It'd be great if you added that info to that other thread where we were talking about this, to have it in one place, with the sleeve p/n too if it turns out to be different. _________________ Shop for unique Vanagon accessories at the Vanistan shop:
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jlrftype7 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges |
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Absolutely agree. Hopefully there’s a sleeve that fits... _________________ '68 Westy- my first VW and vehicle/Bus- long gone.- sold it to a traveling Swiss couple....
'67 Type 3 Fastback, my 2nd car- gone
'69 Semi-Auto Stick Shift Beetle-gone
2017 MINI Coopers, our current DDs
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DanHoug Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges |
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NOT that you should trust an online parts lookup but O'Reilly shows the AT trans using the same pn sleeve i used on the manual. so it is looking like it will be the same but further verification needed.
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jlrftype7 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges |
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We will see... _________________ '68 Westy- my first VW and vehicle/Bus- long gone.- sold it to a traveling Swiss couple....
'67 Type 3 Fastback, my 2nd car- gone
'69 Semi-Auto Stick Shift Beetle-gone
2017 MINI Coopers, our current DDs
‘84 Tin Top - Hilga....Auto |
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jberger Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:45 pm Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges |
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tencentlife wrote: |
I almost said "same", but looked up the side seals and manual and auto have different p/n's. You'll need someone to mike a flange hub, or call VanCafe and have someone read the dimensions embossed on the seals for you. If seal ID is the same, sleeve will be the same. |
To be fair.. Mike, should mic the stub shaft.... using a micrometer. |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:38 am Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges |
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jberger wrote: |
tencentlife wrote: |
I almost said "same", but looked up the side seals and manual and auto have different p/n's. You'll need someone to mike a flange hub, or call VanCafe and have someone read the dimensions embossed on the seals for you. If seal ID is the same, sleeve will be the same. |
To be fair.. Mike, should mic the stub shaft.... using a micrometer. |
I would agree |
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MarkWard Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:11 am Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges |
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The bearing support/seal housing has an O ring that seals it to the case. To a point, the drip would appear at the same location. _________________ ☮️ |
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jlrftype7 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges |
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MarkWard wrote: |
The bearing support/seal housing has an O ring that seals it to the case. To a point, the drip would appear at the same location. |
Hmm, question then... Are the Automatics the same as the Manual Transmission for sealing in this area. I though the Manuals were a bit more complex. I'll have to look up that O-ring and a Parts Schematic/drawing to see, since my Bentley is at home right now...
A Hah...These Guys..
Van Café 011519345.... Auto Trans Axle Shaft O-ring
What special tool is required for setting the side load , or removing the adjusting nut? Hmm, yet another research topic... _________________ '68 Westy- my first VW and vehicle/Bus- long gone.- sold it to a traveling Swiss couple....
'67 Type 3 Fastback, my 2nd car- gone
'69 Semi-Auto Stick Shift Beetle-gone
2017 MINI Coopers, our current DDs
‘84 Tin Top - Hilga....Auto |
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MarkWard Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges |
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The locks are inside the differential from memory. So the pan would need to come off to access them. Similar design to the manual transaxle as far as marking them prior to removal, checking backlash prior is a good idea too. _________________ ☮️ |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges |
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jlrftype7 wrote: |
MarkWard wrote: |
The bearing support/seal housing has an O ring that seals it to the case. To a point, the drip would appear at the same location. |
Hmm, question then... Are the Automatics the same as the Manual Transmission for sealing in this area. I though the Manuals were a bit more complex. I'll have to look up that O-ring and a Parts Schematic/drawing to see, since my Bentley is at home right now...
A Hah...These Guys..
Van Café 011519345.... Auto Trans Axle Shaft O-ring
What special tool is required for setting the side load , or removing the adjusting nut? Hmm, yet another research topic... |
Why is the adjusting nut coming into this? On both the automatic transmission and the manual, the seals are usually replaced without messing with the differential side bearing adjusting nuts. |
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jlrftype7 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 8:51 pm Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges |
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Wildthings wrote: |
jlrftype7 wrote: |
MarkWard wrote: |
The bearing support/seal housing has an O ring that seals it to the case. To a point, the drip would appear at the same location. |
Hmm, question then... Are the Automatics the same as the Manual Transmission for sealing in this area. I though the Manuals were a bit more complex. I'll have to look up that O-ring and a Parts Schematic/drawing to see, since my Bentley is at home right now...
A Hah...These Guys..
Van Café 011519345.... Auto Trans Axle Shaft O-ring
What special tool is required for setting the side load , or removing the adjusting nut? Hmm, yet another research topic... |
Why is the adjusting nut coming into this? On both the automatic transmission and the manual, the seals are usually replaced without messing with the differential side bearing adjusting nuts. |
IF the o-rings, which are further in than the outer flange seals are leaking, this is what Mark Ward was warning about with the leak I’m seeing. Might only be a groove or worn spot on the shaft, that requires a new seal and speedi sleeve repair. Hopefully no further transaxle work than that.
My flange seals are new, and were leak free for a good few months, till one side wasn’t ( drivers) I’m reading that it’s the same side that shows more bearing wear on most transaxles, so I might have some free play in addition to worn shaft seal areas. _________________ '68 Westy- my first VW and vehicle/Bus- long gone.- sold it to a traveling Swiss couple....
'67 Type 3 Fastback, my 2nd car- gone
'69 Semi-Auto Stick Shift Beetle-gone
2017 MINI Coopers, our current DDs
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bluebus86 Banned
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Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:04 am Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges |
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oil seals may sometimes be installed at less than full depth so that seal lip rides on an undamaged part of the shaft.
good luck
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jlrftype7 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges |
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bluebus86 wrote: |
oil seals may sometimes be installed at less than full depth so that seal lip rides on an undamaged part of the shaft.
good luck
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also true _________________ '68 Westy- my first VW and vehicle/Bus- long gone.- sold it to a traveling Swiss couple....
'67 Type 3 Fastback, my 2nd car- gone
'69 Semi-Auto Stick Shift Beetle-gone
2017 MINI Coopers, our current DDs
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges |
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jlrftype7 wrote: |
bluebus86 wrote: |
oil seals may sometimes be installed at less than full depth so that seal lip rides on an undamaged part of the shaft.
good luck
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also true |
You can determine where the new seal will ride by smearing a small amount of grease on the sealing surface and temporarily installing the hub. When you again remove the hub you can see where the outer lip is riding on the sealing surface. |
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