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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:35 pm    Post subject: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges Reply with quote

I’ve read the thread on the poster using Speedi-Sleeves for their Manual Trans seals. Does anyone know if there is a number for putting sleeves on the Drive Flanges of an Automatic, or are they the same as the Manual Transmissions?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges Reply with quote

I almost said "same", but looked up the side seals and manual and auto have different p/n's. You'll need someone to mike a flange hub, or call VanCafe and have someone read the dimensions embossed on the seals for you. If seal ID is the same, sleeve will be the same.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges Reply with quote

Right, I knew there were different part numbers but haven’t a clue about seal dimensions. I’ve got two new seals on order from Van Cafe, so I’ll check them once they arrive.
I’ll pull a flange out this coming Saturday while I’m working on the Transmission if no one knows, and measure what we’ve got.
I was basically leak free for months after replacing the seals while doing the CVs, so I was surprised to see one side started leaking again this past weekend as I was running that new battery cable..... Crying or Very sad

Both Vents are perfect and move easily , so I suspect a worn spot on the drive flange . At least it’s not a gusher of a leak... Razz
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges Reply with quote

Yeah the side flanges are all so old most have a pretty good groove worn in and are asking to be sleeved.

Lip seals have the sizing embossed in the rubber cover, so no need to measure the flange to know, the nominal hub size is right there. It'd be great if you added that info to that other thread where we were talking about this, to have it in one place, with the sleeve p/n too if it turns out to be different.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges Reply with quote

Absolutely agree. Hopefully there’s a sleeve that fits... Pray Pray Pray
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges Reply with quote

NOT that you should trust an online parts lookup but O'Reilly shows the AT trans using the same pn sleeve i used on the manual. so it is looking like it will be the same but further verification needed.

https://www.oreillyauto.com/shop/b/engine-parts---...en/vanagon
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges Reply with quote

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NOT that you should trust an online parts lookup but O'Reilly shows the AT trans using the same pn sleeve i used on the manual. so it is looking like it will be the same but further verification needed.

https://www.oreillyauto.com/shop/b/engine-parts---...en/vanagon

We will see...
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges Reply with quote

tencentlife wrote:
I almost said "same", but looked up the side seals and manual and auto have different p/n's. You'll need someone to mike a flange hub, or call VanCafe and have someone read the dimensions embossed on the seals for you. If seal ID is the same, sleeve will be the same.


To be fair.. Mike, should mic the stub shaft.... using a micrometer.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:38 am    Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges Reply with quote

jberger wrote:
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I almost said "same", but looked up the side seals and manual and auto have different p/n's. You'll need someone to mike a flange hub, or call VanCafe and have someone read the dimensions embossed on the seals for you. If seal ID is the same, sleeve will be the same.


To be fair.. Mike, should mic the stub shaft.... using a micrometer.


I would agree
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:11 am    Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges Reply with quote

The bearing support/seal housing has an O ring that seals it to the case. To a point, the drip would appear at the same location.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges Reply with quote

MarkWard wrote:
The bearing support/seal housing has an O ring that seals it to the case. To a point, the drip would appear at the same location.
Hmm, question then... Are the Automatics the same as the Manual Transmission for sealing in this area. I though the Manuals were a bit more complex. I'll have to look up that O-ring and a Parts Schematic/drawing to see, since my Bentley is at home right now... Think

A Hah...These Guys..
Van Café 011519345.... Auto Trans Axle Shaft O-ring

What special tool is required for setting the side load , or removing the adjusting nut? Hmm, yet another research topic...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges Reply with quote

The locks are inside the differential from memory. So the pan would need to come off to access them. Similar design to the manual transaxle as far as marking them prior to removal, checking backlash prior is a good idea too.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges Reply with quote

jlrftype7 wrote:
MarkWard wrote:
The bearing support/seal housing has an O ring that seals it to the case. To a point, the drip would appear at the same location.
Hmm, question then... Are the Automatics the same as the Manual Transmission for sealing in this area. I though the Manuals were a bit more complex. I'll have to look up that O-ring and a Parts Schematic/drawing to see, since my Bentley is at home right now... Think

A Hah...These Guys..
Van Café 011519345.... Auto Trans Axle Shaft O-ring

What special tool is required for setting the side load , or removing the adjusting nut? Hmm, yet another research topic...


Why is the adjusting nut coming into this? On both the automatic transmission and the manual, the seals are usually replaced without messing with the differential side bearing adjusting nuts.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 8:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges Reply with quote

Wildthings wrote:
jlrftype7 wrote:
MarkWard wrote:
The bearing support/seal housing has an O ring that seals it to the case. To a point, the drip would appear at the same location.
Hmm, question then... Are the Automatics the same as the Manual Transmission for sealing in this area. I though the Manuals were a bit more complex. I'll have to look up that O-ring and a Parts Schematic/drawing to see, since my Bentley is at home right now... Think

A Hah...These Guys..
Van Café 011519345.... Auto Trans Axle Shaft O-ring

What special tool is required for setting the side load , or removing the adjusting nut? Hmm, yet another research topic...


Why is the adjusting nut coming into this? On both the automatic transmission and the manual, the seals are usually replaced without messing with the differential side bearing adjusting nuts.


IF the o-rings, which are further in than the outer flange seals are leaking, this is what Mark Ward was warning about with the leak I’m seeing. Might only be a groove or worn spot on the shaft, that requires a new seal and speedi sleeve repair. Hopefully no further transaxle work than that.

My flange seals are new, and were leak free for a good few months, till one side wasn’t ( drivers) I’m reading that it’s the same side that shows more bearing wear on most transaxles, so I might have some free play in addition to worn shaft seal areas.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:04 am    Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges Reply with quote

oil seals may sometimes be installed at less than full depth so that seal lip rides on an undamaged part of the shaft.

good luck

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges Reply with quote

bluebus86 wrote:
oil seals may sometimes be installed at less than full depth so that seal lip rides on an undamaged part of the shaft.

good luck

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Speedi-Sleeves for Automatic Drive Flanges Reply with quote

jlrftype7 wrote:
bluebus86 wrote:
oil seals may sometimes be installed at less than full depth so that seal lip rides on an undamaged part of the shaft.

good luck

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You can determine where the new seal will ride by smearing a small amount of grease on the sealing surface and temporarily installing the hub. When you again remove the hub you can see where the outer lip is riding on the sealing surface.
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