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TonyPgh
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 Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:44 pm Post subject: Torque Question |
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On my 1973 Super, I have to tighten the nut on the idler arm. The long bolt that goes through the bushing to hold the arm on. Does anyone know the torque on that nut? I don’t want to overtighten thr idler arm.
I read a torque sheet on here and I’m getting confused with it.
Also the lower control arm camber bolts. With the strange egg shaped washers. I don’t want to overtighten those either.
Side note. My original camber bolts had locking nuts for holding the control arms on. The new ones that came from Cip1 has just regular nuts, won’t they come loose? Or maybe I should use lock washers then?
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halfassleatherworks
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| Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Question |
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what does you chart say
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halfassleatherworks
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| Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Question |
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<B>TYPE 1 SUSPENSION TORQUE (MACPHERSON STRUT):</B><BR><BR> 51-61 ft.-lbs. ...... Strut upper bearing nut<BR> 29 ft.-lbs. ........... Steering knuckle and ball-joint to strut bolts<BR> 7-10 ft.-lbs. ...... Front wheel bearing clamp nut screw (max)<BR> 14 ft.-lbs. ........... Strut to body nuts<BR> 25 ft.-lbs. ........... Frame head to body bolts<BR> 29 ft.-lbs. ........... Track control arm to frame head nut<BR> 29 ft.-lbs. ........... Track control arm to ball-joint nut<BR> 22 ft.-lbs. ........... Stabilizer to track control arm nut<BR> 14 ft.-lbs. ........... Stabilizer clip to frame head bolt<BR> 29 ft.-lbs. ........... Steering gear to body bolts<BR> 72 ft.-lbs. ........... Drop arm steering gear nut<BR> 22 ft.-lbs. ........... Steering tie-rod joint nuts<BR> 43 ft.-lbs. ........... Steering damper to frame head bolt<BR> 29-32 ft.-lbs. ..... Steering damper to drop arm bolt<BR><BR>
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halfassleatherworks
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| Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Question |
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hope this helps
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TonyPgh
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| Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Question |
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Thank you, I don’t have the chart in front of me right now but I was just trying to figure out which torque setting was for the nut for the idler arm. And then of course the control arms for the bolt to the frame head. It was really hard to understand the sheet I was looking up
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TonyPgh
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| Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:18 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Question |
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When they are saying steering dampner, is that the idler arm?
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halfassleatherworks
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| Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Question |
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it is like a small shock absorber goes from steering box arm to middle of the chassis there is a small access plug to get to the bolt
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halfassleatherworks
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| Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Question |
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please refer to this click on the pic
https://www.aircooled.net/vw-super-beetle-shimmy-death-shake/
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sb001
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| Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Question |
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| TonyPgh wrote: |
On my 1973 Super, I have to tighten the nut on the idler arm. The long bolt that goes through the bushing to hold the arm on. Does anyone know the torque on that nut? I don’t want to overtighten thr idler arm.
I read a torque sheet on here and I’m getting confused with it.
Also the lower control arm camber bolts. With the strange egg shaped washers. I don’t want to overtighten those either.
Side note. My original camber bolts had locking nuts for holding the control arms on. The new ones that came from Cip1 has just regular nuts, won’t they come loose? Or maybe I should use lock washers then? |
When you say "idler arm" you are referring to the arm on the passenger side of the car, correct? The arm that connects to the body of the car on that side via a bracket and the other end connects to the center tie rod, correct?
If so, are you referring to the bolt/nut that holds the idler arm to the center tie rod?
Take a look at the "1970-1979" "Front Strut Suspension" section of 1971BugGuy's torque setting list in this thread:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3715815
If I reading your post right, you are looking for the torque setting for the "Center tie rod to drop arm and idler arm nut" which is listed as 22 ft/lbs.
If I'm wrong about what you are looking for, you should still be able to find it in that list.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:43 am Post subject: Re: Torque Question |
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Torque Wrench settings (LB FT)
Track control arm to frame head nut (29)
Track control arm to ball joint nut (29)
Ball joint stud in steering knuckle (1974) (25)
Stabilizer to track control arm nut (22)
(turn onto cotter pin hole) (29.8 )
(turn onto cotter pin hole) (3.0)
(turn onto cotter pin hole)
Stabilizer clamp to frame head bolt (1971-1973) (14)
Stabilizer clamp to frame head bolt (1974) (29)
Strut mounting to shock absorber (1971-1973) nut (50 - 61)
Strut mounting to shock absorber (1974) nut (43)
Steering knuckle axle ball joint to strut bolt (29)
Steering knuckle to strut (1974) bolt (61)
Strut to Body nut (14)
Backing plate to steering knuckle bolt (36)
Wheel bearing nut (7 (9 MAX))
(while turning wheel) (9.5 (12.2 Max))
(while turning wheel) (1.0 (1.3 MAX))
(while turning wheel)
Clamp nut screw (7 -9)
Idler arm bracket to body bolt (22)
Idler arm to bracket nut (29)
Adjusting bolt in idler arm bracket nut (14)
Center tie rod to drop arm and idler arm nut (22)
(turn onto cotter pin hole) (29.8 )
(turn onto cotter pin hole) (3.0)
(turn onto cotter pin hole)
Side tie rods to center tie rod and steering knuckle nut (22)
(turn onto cotter pin hole) (29.8 )
(turn onto cotter pin hole) (3.0)
(turn onto cotter pin hole)
Clamps on tie rods nut (11)
Locknut on tie rod (18 )
Steering damper to frame head bolt (43)
Steering damper to drop arm bolt (29 - 32)
Steering gearbox to body bolt (29)
Tie rod end (M12 Castellated ) nut (22)
Tie rod end (M10 Castellated ) nut (18 )
Drop arm on roller shaft nut (72)
(peen after torquing) (97.6)
(peen after torquing) (10.0)
(peen after torquing)
Universal joint shaft to worm spindle and steering column bolt and nut (18 )
Cover on steering gearbox bolt (14 - 18 )
Roller shaft adjusting screw locknut (18 )
Worm adjuster locknut (47)
Column tube to instrument panel bolt (11)
Column switch to column tube bolt (4 - 7)
Tie rod inner end to steering rack bolt (40)
Tie rod mounting bracket to steering rack nut and bolt (14)
Rack and pinion steering to steering mounting brackets nut and bolt (18 )
Rack and pinion steering mounting brackets to side members bolt (32)
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volksworld
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| Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:24 am Post subject: Re: Torque Question |
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| as one of the few spots that vw actually used lock nuts i'd want them on the lower arms...since 1/4 of the thread is missing from the D shape of the bolt you cant tighten the heck out of them...and theres a lot of force on the inner bushing when cornering |
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vamram 
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| Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:14 am Post subject: Re: Torque Question |
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Looks like these are the ones from Cusser's list:
Idler arm bracket to body bolt (22)
Idler arm to bracket nut (29)
Adjusting bolt in idler arm bracket nut (14)
Center tie rod to drop arm and idler arm nut (22)
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sb001
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| Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:29 am Post subject: Re: Torque Question |
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Funny- I posted that 5 posts ago.
Must be on lots of people's ignore list, that's what insight and independent thought gets you around these parts. 
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:12 am Post subject: Re: Torque Question |
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| sb001 wrote: |
Funny- I posted that 5 posts ago.
Must be on lots of people's ignore list, that's what insight and independent thought gets you around these parts. |
I’m thinking it would be attention deficit disorder or they only read the most recent post. Hey I’ve done it too.  |
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vamram
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| Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:22 am Post subject: Re: Torque Question |
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Sorry did I miss something...? Oh right! happens all the time when you're at work and occasionally quickly browsing samba threads.
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TonyPgh
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| Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Question |
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thanks everyone! Got it all buttoned up, well the front! And I got my Bentley book back today, from a friend who borrow it!
Great links too!
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