1981 (@wileythewesty) TDI conversion, from ground up

[charleslabri]

[charleslabri]

[pjn_wyo]

[?Waldo?]

[charleslabri]

Ive thought about this.. i did some serious beefing already to the 091 trans.

My plan is that if the trans grenades, likely ill just turn my ride into a syncro.
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[Zeitgeist 13]

One other thought is that the 091 trans was only available here for around 2.5 years, so they're kinda rare. They're also a bit weaker than the 091/1. Your new engine produces monster level torque, so if you grenade your current trans in the future, it might be difficult to locate a similar unit as opposed to the stronger and more readily available 091/1. If you move the trans mount now, you'll be able to swap in any trans, including a five speed 094. Options.

Btw: regarding the CV angle, with the drivetrain shifted rearward my axles are now a straight run to the hubs, rather than angled forward as they were in the aircooled donor van.
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Casey--
Volkswagens powered by Volkswagen
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender VR6 -->2.5 TDI?
Oly Bulli
'87 300TD OM606 7mm Myna pump and HX30

[charleslabri]

[Zeitgeist 13]

When Mark tells you some tips to make your project move forward, it carries a whole lot more weight than my meager suggestions. He's probably forgotten more than I'll ever know about these vans. I strongly suggest you follow his recommendations.
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Casey--
Volkswagens powered by Volkswagen
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender VR6 -->2.5 TDI?
Oly Bulli
'87 300TD OM606 7mm Myna pump and HX30

[charleslabri]

I cut the firewall out a few weeks ago
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An example of my slave labor in action:
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[Zeitgeist 13]

It will give easier access to the clutch slave and starter. This is especially true if you delete the firewall.
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Casey--
Volkswagens powered by Volkswagen
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender VR6 -->2.5 TDI?
Oly Bulli
'87 300TD OM606 7mm Myna pump and HX30

[crazyvwvanman]

I think it would be a much better idea to move the engine/aircooled tranny rearward to the wbx position now. Less work overall for the long term.

Mark

[Vanagon Nut]

Thanks. Bear in mind though that given my foray today into auto tranny Sinka's, any rep I had is now tarnished. So, take my measurements for what they're worth. LOL. Actually, I took care line up the clutch housing faces for those pics so measurements are fairly accurate.

If you ever go to a WBX tranny, but keep engine at air cooled position, some pics of how I adapted the WBX tranny to air cooled engine position. Flipped mount idea was courtesy of ?Waldo?. Rereading my notes, I would've done things differently and better but this was first time at this with beginner level fabricating skills so.....

https://goo.gl/photos/GXTagUdjdekict8R7

Even with removed material, mount is still fine afaik. e.g. no cracking.

Neil.
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Vanagon VAG GAS engine swap Google Group:
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VE7TBN

[charleslabri]

those trans pics are awesome. i never had that much context on the sizing differences.

that should be a sticky
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An example of my slave labor in action:
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[Vanagon Nut]

Great to see the fit pics. FWIW, images showing length differences of my old trannies:

air cooled vs wbx front mounts. ~ 1 - 1.5" difference

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3dtIwpR6...4-h1015-no

air cooled vs wbx tranny. WBX: ~ 0.8" longer. It seems the bigger factor in length increase was at WBX mount stand offs:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3exB6oHP...4-h1015-no

Overall, I saw ~ 2.25" difference

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3elP75Tr...3-h1015-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3cFBfPoN...17-h516-no

Neil.
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1981 Westy air cooled to 15º ABA swap: http://tinyurl.com/y9n4xob8

50º ABA Swap in to '88 Westy: http://tinyurl.com/yap5hpwt

Vanagon VAG GAS engine swap Google Group:
https://tinyurl.com/2f24rmh

VE7TBN

[Zeitgeist 13]

I'm running a modified 091 rear shift rod mated to a stock 091/1 front section. Shifts are buttery smooth.
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Casey--
Volkswagens powered by Volkswagen
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender VR6 -->2.5 TDI?
Oly Bulli
'87 300TD OM606 7mm Myna pump and HX30

[?Waldo?]

You might need to lengthen one linkage rod. I don't think you'd need to do any other changes to the shifter/linkage.
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[charleslabri]

[Zeitgeist 13]

You can also just modify the trans mount to shift the drivetrain rearward. My van uses a DK trans, and I've added spacers to both lower and move everything back. Definitely easier than modifying Greg's mounts.

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Casey--
Volkswagens powered by Volkswagen
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender VR6 -->2.5 TDI?
Oly Bulli
'87 300TD OM606 7mm Myna pump and HX30

[?Waldo?]

The 091 and 091/1 transaxles are similar length. The 094 5-speed and 094 4wd syncro transaxles are longer. With the switch to the 091/1 and 094 in '83.5/83 the seam between engine and trans moved rearward presumably in order to give more room for the nose of the 094 5-speed trans (and probably for the eventual 094 4wd syncro trans). That change can also be seen in the engine mounting position and carrier bar difference between the '82 diesels (091 trans) and the '83 diesels (094 5-speed).
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