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Adriel Rowley
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 Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:51 am Post subject: Source for vinyl |
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I have done several searches, plenty of information on pre-1960 interiors, yet seems nothing for 1960 though 1967.
First, anyone have a close picture of original vinyl?
Second, was the vinyl smooth or textured? I do know 1968 and later has a little bit of texture, are they the same?
Third, anyone know of a source for a similar vinyl yardage? Just looking at my options for custom upholstery (at least the seating surface will be cloth), as do have an industrial sewing machine.
Thank y'all in advance. 
PS By the way, sure miss being able to change the title of a thread, instead threads quickly die and/or topic change requires a new thread. At least we have the forum, things be so much harder to get done.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Source for vinyl |
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Not sure if anyone exactly matches the VW pattern from the early 60s.
Stock leatherette from the early 60s had a deerskin "pinprick" texture to it.
By pinprick deerskin, for example, I have some original stock door panels, rear side window vinyl, and an old accessory owner's manual cover in that sort of pattern.
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Adriel Rowley
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: Source for vinyl |
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Not sure if anyone exactly matches the VW pattern from the early 60s.
Stock leatherette from the early 60s had a deerskin "pinprick" texture to it.
By pinprick deerskin, for example, I have some original stock door panels, rear side window vinyl, and an old accessory owner's manual cover in that sort of pattern.
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Fantastic, appreciated! Look at all those pictures! So would this be correct for 1964? I am not understanding what is your definition of early 1960s.
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9252810#9252810
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glutamodo
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: Source for vinyl |
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Ah. Well, 1964 was a transition year. The leatherette still had a texture to it but when I said early 60s I was meaning 1961-63. The texture got a bit more coarse for 1964, more resembling the TMI kits sold today. I don't have a handy source of any original 64 style vinyl at hand (I do have of the TMI repro though)
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Adriel Rowley
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: Source for vinyl |
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| Ah. Well, 1964 was a transition year. The leatherette still had a texture to it but when I said early 60s I was meaning 1961-63. The texture got a bit more coarse for 1964, more resembling the TMI kits sold today. I don't have a handy source of any original 64 style vinyl at hand (I do have of the TMI repro though) |
This does really help. Ruby is a late January 1964, so take it then be closer to 1965 texture?
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9252810#9252810
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glutamodo
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: Source for vinyl |
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Yes it is.
By the way, you got me off my duff to take those photos I posted above! I seldom need to take photos of anything since I have a ginormous folder of previously taken and edited detail images for many things VW, but looking through them, I was surprised to not be able to find any of that vinyl pattern. I could have sworn I had posted such before, but maybe I was thinking of Mohair...
As for the TMI reproduction, I wish it was closer to the early 60s, but instead you get this:
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Adriel Rowley
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: Source for vinyl |
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Yes it is.
By the way, you got me off my duff to take those photos I posted above! I seldom need to take photos of anything since I have a ginormous folder of detail images for many things VW, but looking through them, I was surprised to not be able to find any of that vinyl pattern. I could have sworn I had posted such before, but maybe I was thinking of Mohair...
As for the TMI reproduction, I wish it was closer to the early 60s, but instead you get this:
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Sorry to make you work so hard, just couldn't seem to find any information on stock vinyl texture. Really do appreciate and had hoped this thread help fill a gap and provide information for others in the future.
That to me reminds me of the 1968 and later vinyl. So then this be for late 1964?
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9252810#9252810
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: Source for vinyl |
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What TMI supplies is closer to what VW was using in the mid 60s. Take that more as a "yes" than a "no". Makes me wish I had some macro images of such vintage vinyl on hand.
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You didn't put me out at all. I ended up filling up a gap in my image library that I thought I had filled.
Now, I'm not sure about the vinyl headliner in the 64s... It might still have had that smoother deerskin pattern, because back then they were printing dots on some parts of it to match the actual holes found in other sections, and I'm not sure how well the coarser texture lent itself to such imprinting.
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Adriel Rowley
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: Source for vinyl |
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You didn't put me out at all. I ended up filling up a gap in my image library that I thought I had filled.
Now, I'm not sure about the vinyl headliner in the 64s... It might still have had that smoother deerskin pattern, because back then they were printing dots on some parts of it to match the actual holes found in other sections, and I'm not sure how well the coarser texture lent itself to such imprinting. |
Put you out? What does that mean, never heard of that phrase.
IIRC it was fully perforated, which is what Wolfsburg West shows for 1964- 1967.
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9252810#9252810
1971 Sunroof Squareback with Fuel Injection
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Adriel Rowley
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: Source for vinyl |
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I don't know what I was doing wrong, none of those came up in the search. Really appreciate you finding these. By looking at it with the light across, doesn't look as textured as the 1963 and earlier or 1968 and later, though as you said, be nice if closer, though certainly better than nothing.
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Mukluk, this post is also helpful as wondering what color headliner, and from this picture, looks like off-white and not grey (comparing to the seat belt plugs).
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Source for vinyl |
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Which vinyl are you looking for as there were several kinds in different locations: perforated headliner, non-perforated headliner with dots that resemble perforations, B-pillar vinyl, seat side vinyl, seat surface vinyl.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: Source for vinyl |
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Put you out? What does that mean, never heard of that phrase.
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Ah, well I guess that term means "inconvenienced" or "caused one distress", that sort of thing. 
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Adriel Rowley
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: Source for vinyl |
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| Which vinyl are you looking for as there were several kinds in different locations: perforated headliner, non-perforated headliner with dots that resemble perforations, B-pillar vinyl, seat side vinyl, seat surface vinyl. |
Oops, sorry wasn't clear. The vinyl used on the cards and seat sides and back. I am exploring the option of either having Sewfine do custom upholstery if the vinyl is close or if not, do it myself.
And please forgive me for saying this, though seeing the full 1964 seat upholstery, think it is hideously garish, reminds me of awning fabric. That thread had a link to a supplier, they charge $1,500!  So, I feel more justified going custom, the next custodian can always change back to stock.
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Adriel Rowley
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: Source for vinyl |
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This is from my '65. Same as '64. There is a ribbed part and a smoother, slightly textured center section. This was in my gallery, but I'll snap a tighter pic.
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Wunderbar! I thought heat seamed and this clearly confirms. As I see, can go with Wolfsburg West cards and hope to match the seat vinyl or go with custom cards. Really looking for the detail picture, appreciated!
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