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Kutie
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I was wondering if anyone had any opinions. I recently bought this 1964 volkswagen with a crank sunroof. The original owner said it was never repanned and never had any accidents. Interesting features include a 1960 serial number on the pan which matches the body tag, peanut turn signals, 62+ tail lights, the crank sunroof, no semaphores, no ignition switch on dash, but on the column (not a steering lock, though), vinyl headliner, 3 stud trunk lid, small license plate light pope nose, rather than the 1964 type. Original Owner bought it in Germany in 1964. Did they just update a left over 1960 car? its pretty weird. please explain. ps it needs a battery pan repair.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 beetle bug |
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| peanut indicators would be correct for an early 64 (up to november 1963 or so going from memory), the plate light should be wide in any case though |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 beetle bug |
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| ineverlistentoFM wrote: |
| The original owner said it was never repanned... |
Unfortunately, people don't always tell the truth 
Whatever year it is, it looks to be in really nice shape. The roof could be a graft, and parts & tags are easily swapped around.
Any pics of the interior?
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Kutie
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 beetle bug |
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| title vin matches pan vin...original owners are senior citizens who just see it as a car...they didnt know what I was talking about when I referred to pan. |
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EVfun
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 beetle bug |
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It looks like a 63 to me except the steel sunroof is 64 only. It could be an early 64 car, they came that way. One hint would be if that engine cover with the small light has the later style stamping in the raised detail above it. That's another late 63 or early 64 detail.
What is the frame number, less the last 4 digits? How about a shot of the gas tank area? How about an engine shot too? Do you have a fuel gauge? Oh, does 1st gear whine and grind if you try to shift into it while moving forward? These are all things to help identify the year. If it started out in Europe that could cause some odd combos, but there are members here that identify those too.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 beetle bug |
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body is definitely not a '60. Large windows. Rear license plate housing is called "small" housing, as Pope's nose was 1940s. FYI, early '64s had the '63 style small license plate light housing carry over in early production. What's the VIN under rear seat tunnel plate and VIN from plate behind spare wheel? Post the first 5 digits, at least.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 beetle bug |
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| EVfun wrote: |
It looks like a 63 to me except the steel sunroof is 64 only. It could be an early 64 car, they came that way. One hint would be if that engine cover with the small light has the later style stamping in the raised detail above it. That's another late 63 or early 64 detail.
What is the frame number, less the last 4 digits? How about a shot of the gas tank area? How about an engine shot too? Do you have a fuel gauge? Oh, does 1st gear whine and grind if you try to shift into it while moving forward? These are all things to help identify the year. If it started out in Europe that could cause some odd combos, but there are members here that identify those too. |
As far as the Lic. plate goes; I have a Sept 26, 1963, 1964 113. It has peanut front turn signal lamps and the new rear wide license plate lamp. I have a friend whose 64 was built a week before mine and has the old style license plate light. Also remember that 1200"A"'s and 1200Customs have the old pre 63 License plate light through 1967. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 beetle bug |
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| 67 Florida Deluxe wrote: |
^^^I suspect early '64 production. Hopefully, the VIN will get posted to answer these burning questions  |
Give us a shot of the interior if you will. And also a shot of the inside of the front bonnet area, preferably with the cover for the wiring/speedo off. |
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Kutie
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 beetle bug |
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posted the 1960 pan number, below. I suspected early 64 production for body, too, but with the pan #, I dont know what to think. the speedo is 9/63.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 beetle bug |
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Not 1960I forgot a number when looking up the vin ON THE BUS list...ugh! early 64!
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EVfun
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 beetle bug |
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August 1963 made Beetle, it is an early 1964 model year car. That explains why so much looks like a '63, except for the steel sunroof that started with the 1964 model year.
I actually looked at one such Bug in Seattle. It had a cheesy red respray and the dash cut for an aftermarket stereo, but was a rust free car that may have been an ex race car. The metal plaques on the dash from Stardust Raceway and Riverside Speedway where cool but not enough to justify the price.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:42 am Post subject: Re: 1964 beetle bug |
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The most indicative element between 63 and 64 is the licence plate light on the engine cover.
A lot of people change the rear lid to have the most appreciate small "nose" plate light housing.
This is the reason why a lot of '64/65 owner does not post photos of the rear of their car  |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:59 am Post subject: Re: 1964 beetle bug |
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| ineverlistentoFM wrote: |
| Not 1960I forgot a number when looking up the vin ON THE BUS list...ugh! early 64! |
I love the early cars that carry over a part or two from the prior year. People want to argue that your car is something else because of those details because they deal in "absolutes." That's not the VW way For example, early '63s still wore a Wolfsburg hood crest and had rear seat kick panels with small oval vent holes, early '67s didn't get the sloping rear towel bars right away, the small license plate light housing carrying over into early '64, and many other examples. Keeps one on their toes 
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:25 am Post subject: Re: 1964 beetle bug |
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That's a real beauty. I have the same car in white.
How much did you pay?
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